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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:10 PM
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Help me!!! Gitmo suicides an "Act of War"????
that is what the evening news says * is calling the 3 suicides today- WTF???

I've looked around here, but haven't seen any posts addressing this- How could killing yourself while in prison- with no hope, no help, and no charges- be considered an "Act of War"????

DUH!!! Wake up america?????? Wake up world!!!- what the heck is going on??

(sorry if I've missed this issue being addressed somewhere here- I DID look)
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:13 PM
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1. Are you serious?
I've been trying to stay away from the news - I'm getting close to meltdown again.

Seriously, WTF?! Can you imagine, they drive you to suicide - over the edge with debasement, dogs, and god only knows... You finally give in, and it's a f'ing act of war? ...Scuse me while my head explodes.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:14 PM
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2. Nothing quite declares war like the suicide of prisoners.
There's a Far Side cartoon about what a dog hears (blah blah blah blah Rover blah blah blah...). I think this may be based on the same principle (blah blah Guantanamo blah blah act of war blah blah...).
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:15 PM
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3. How is that possible since
they are not considered prisoners of war? If I'm not mistaken their legal status is enemy combatant. I suppose I'll just wait for the clarification that junior's handlers put out whenever he steps in a pile of shit.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:18 PM
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4. enemy non-combatants declare war????
Bushlette has hit the bottom and found a shovel.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:19 PM
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5. This is a major victory in the War on Terror:
Think about it, we now have the terrorists killing themselves. Let's say there are about 2,000 terrorists divide that by 3 and you get 666.666... So in only 666.666.. days we will win the War on Terror. This is exactly the kind of thing that happened at the end of WWII, when people like Hitler committed suicide. Don't be surprised if we hear Osama shot himself for us soon. YEAH! Wonderful day for America.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:27 PM
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6. The Judean People's Front Crack suicide squad?
I'm just tuning this shit out. It will drive me insane otherwise.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:29 PM
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8. Isn't it amazing how Life of Brian...
...is beginning to look like a fly-on-the-wall documentary about the Bush administration? It's like John Cleese said recently, Monty Python would be impossible to make today because reality is too surreal to parody.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:54 PM
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20. LOL
too true, a salvador dali "democracy"
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:28 PM
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7. "act of asymetric warfare"
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 08:33 PM by TWriterD
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/10/terror/main1699386.shtml

I actually broke down watching the CBS evening news tonight. It had been a while since I tuned in to any Corporate Media, and my gawd: detainee suicides, Zarqawi allegedly beaten after being blown up, Iraqis getting blown up, Israel, Palestine, Dim Son's plans for border patrol. It is total phucking madness.

The CBS newsbunny suggested that many Americans won't feel any sort of sympathy whatsoever re the suicides because these men are "terrorists." An attorney for some of the detainees fired back that none of them have been charged as terrorists and have been held, often in solitary, for over 3 years. But the anchor was right. Too many just want someone TO PAY - why sweat the details? It's sickening.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:29 PM
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9. War on whom by who for what?
Do you smell that?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:30 PM
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10. here is one link- I'm trying to
find the refrence that was on the evening news- I believe it was CBS- I was in the middle of getting supper together for the fam- and I couldn't believe what I was hearing..... neither could my sons...

Here is a link where the military is justifing the deaths as an "Act of War"-

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19435652-2,00.html



<<<<<<Inmate suicides 'an act of war'
From: Reuters

June 11, 2006

Gitmo
Deaths ... inmates found "unresponsive and not breathing"

THE commander of the US Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Rear Admiral Harry Harris has described the overnight suicide of three inmates "as an act of war".
Three foreign prisoners were found dead overnight after hanging themselves with clothing and bedsheets in the first deaths at the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since the prison opened in January 2002, US defence officials said.>>>>>>>
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:31 PM
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11. Now that is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
Since when did suicide become an act of war? And what would they call waterboarding, dog attacks, sleep deprivation, and even murder -- acts of peace? :banghead:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:44 PM
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18. It makes my list of top ten bat-shit crazy boooshisms
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 08:48 PM by me b zola
Here's the one that still holds #1 on my list:

We are bombing the shit out of Iraq and killing tens of thousands of her innocent citizens while deconstructing our own Constitution and anhilating our civil liberties because according to booosh, "A free nation is a peaceful nation." :grr: :wtf: :crazy:

I swear that I am in the middle of a bad dream.






edited the subject line for accuracy ;)
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 09:10 PM
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22. College frat boy pranks
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:31 PM
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12. Seems to be a quote from Rear Adm Harry Harris, commander at Gitmo.
THE commander of the US Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Rear Admiral Harry Harris has described the overnight suicide of three inmates "as an act of war".

snip...

Navy Rear Admiral Harry Harris, commander of Guantanamo, described the suicides were an act of warfare.

"They are smart. They are creative, they are committed. They have no regard for life, neither ours nor their own. I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us," Rear Adm. Harris said.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19435652-2,00.html

Oh, by the way... Bush is "concerned" again.

"A White House spokesman said Bush expressed serious concern on Saturday when he was told about the three suicides." (also from the article)

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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:34 PM
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15. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!
That's an expression I use far to frequently lately, especially in reference to current events. If I didn't know better I would swear I had at some point stepped into an episode of the "Twilight Zone."
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G2099 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:32 PM
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13. By that logic . . .
All the people in the world who commit suicide in the world every year are committing acts of war.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:33 PM
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14. Can you say "Orwellian Doublespeak/Newspeak"? I knew you could.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:35 PM
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16. Yes, I can.
And I think of Orwell far too often these days too.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:36 PM
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17. Insanity. Just like framing a pic of a dead guy like a trophy.
What has happened to us?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:51 PM
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19. Anything that makes * look bad is an "Act of War"
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 08:52 PM by LostInAnomie
Terrorism, hostage taking, nuclear proliferation, hurricanes, captive suicide, pretzels, , bicycles, public speaking, etc.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 08:59 PM
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21. Rummy must be mainlining the Navy with crack to keep them under
his control. Seriously, he either has dirty pix on the entire navy or he's given them a drug habit and free pass.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 09:11 PM
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23. I distinctly heard the tv say that * had been told about
the deaths at 7:45 am, and that the suicides were being seen as an 'act of war'- it stopped me short, and I actually came into the room to listen closer- but they had moved on to other news....
I did find a comment from Harris saying that he viewed this as an act 'against' the us- because of the timing- and yet, in the same article, it says that none of the 3 who died had attempted suicide in the past, yet goes on to say one of the three just ended a LONG hunger strike-???

I really feel like I'm goin nuts.... or should I say -goin more nuts- this world seems so screwed, and people just go along like nothing is out of the ordinary-

http://newsblaze.com/story/20060610181816tsop.nb/newsblaze/TOPSTORY/Top-Story.html

<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>.....
Harris said the joint suicides were clearly planned by the detainees as a way to advance their cause in the war on terror.

"I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetric warfare aimed at us here at Guantanamo," he said. "We have men here who are committed jihadists. They are dangerous men and they will do anything they can to advance their cause."

The three detainees who died had all participated in a hunger strike at one time, Harris said. The Yemeni detainee was a long-term hunger striker who had begun his strike in 2005 and just ended it last month, he said. The other two detainees participated in one hunger strike in 2005 and another short one this year, he said.

The three detainees were not charged under military commissions and were not being actively interrogated, Harris said.

None of the three detainees had attempted suicide before, Harris said. Craddock added that all three had gone through combatant status review boards and administrative review boards, and none were on medication or had any indication of mental illness. .............<<<<<<snip>>>>>
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 09:23 PM
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24. This injury to our national honor must be avenged!
I wonder what country they'll decide to invade in response to this act of aggression taken against us?
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 09:27 PM
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25. We'd sentence them to death if they hadn't killed themselves already!
Utter madness.
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