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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 10:54 PM
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ABC local affiliate reports Zarqawi may have been beaten to death ...
... by soldiers (unidentified as to national origin) who dragged him from an ambulance.

On the 11pm local news.

Oh shit!


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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 10:55 PM
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1. I had heard...
that he survived the bomb blast...
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 10:59 PM
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3. It's obvious that he survived the bomb blast...
...just look at the condition he was in...unscathed! The blood on his face looks like a smear...as if it didn't originate from a wound on his face.

This story has so many contradictions.

The man died. That's a positive thing. Why does our government have fuck up every thing it does by lying and covering up about EVERYTHING?!

I'm beginning to think that they enjoy screwing with our heads.

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 01:48 AM
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14. Incompetance pure and simple - the truth is beyond them
They like to play with stories to get the most out of them whether it is necessary or not.

Jessica Lynch was a good example. The truth was better than the story that was made up.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:21 PM
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22. A minister whose hobby was studying JFK's assassination once told me...
"The conspirators who run this country are not evil geniuses. They're thugs."
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 10:59 PM
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2. That's how it looked to me
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:04 PM
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4. That's why they sent those two army doctors.
They'll do their autopsy. We already know the outcome- Civilian observers were wrong. They didn't know what they saw. They didn't know what they were talking about. Zarkawi died from trauma sustained from the blast and secondary reactions.

Jessica Lynch. Hidie hole. Nick Berg. Etc.

We need a universal symbol for our outrage and disbelief. We've run out of proper words.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:12 PM
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6. I propose this as a universal symbol for outrage and disbelief:
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Bad Penny Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:18 AM
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16. Mind if I go ya one better?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:06 PM
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5. Before the bombing, or after?

rocknation
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:20 PM
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7. Who cares? Whether it was by bombing or fists--someone
killed him.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:56 PM
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9. because one is a war crime
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 11:57 PM by jsamuel
especially when they classify captive terrorists "prisoners of war"
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:10 AM
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17. Good grief! How can you say this?
What the hell is it? A military free-for-all over there? Same crap we have in the White House....no rules?

Yeah, this is going to help "win hearts and minds." What`s next? Bake sale fundraisers for our secret torture flights?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:46 PM
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8. I'm posting this video of Don Henley's "End of the Innocence"
I found this in another thread. It seems to fit well.

Take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVJiANx4AQ8

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:17 AM
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10. Hope it isn't true
though I hope the truth comes out, whatever it is.

Bombs are certainly a death penalty that risk the lives of others as well, others who may be innocent. Bombs are hardly being a good sport since we are not at war with the country, just insurgents in it.

But if he was beaten to death...that's going to be a very bad thing. I'm glad he can't kill anyone else but he couldn't kill others locked in a jail cell either.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:21 AM
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11. And the story changes yet again. Sheesh.
I hate to say it, but anymore - I automatically question the 'official' story. The truth is on hiatus and I really wish it would show its face again soon. We need it desperately.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:41 AM
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12. Ah, the second version of the 'they beat him to death'
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 12:42 AM by igil
story.

The first was that US soldiers found him alive, lying next to an irrigation canal, wrapped a robe around his head, and beat him to death.

Now an ambulance has apparently been inserted between steps two and four. Hard to know if the wrapped the robe around his head in the ambulance, or after dragging him out of it.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:47 AM
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13. Oh shit! indeed
The congenital liars at the pentagon will be working overtime on this.

If it can be substantiated they'll need more Lies to cover the original ones
the amazing thing is there are people who will actually believe
"the official version" even if it is version # 2 3 4 .......



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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:11 AM
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15. The link for the OP would be this, I guess:
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=nation_world&id=4258307

<snip>

The ongoing violence comes as more questions are being raised about al-Zarqawi's death in a U.S. bombing attack. On Friday, a U.S. military spokesman said al-Zarqawi was alive but seriously injured when U.S. troops arrived at the scene of the bombing, a safe house near the city of Baqouba.

"Zarqawi attempted to sort of turn away off the stretcher," says Major General William Caldwell. "Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher but he died almost immediately thereafter."

But an Iraqi man claims he saw those troops remove an injured man with a beard from an ambulance and beat him to death.

/more...

...stretcher, ambulance... Room for misunderstanding/mistranslation here? :shrug:
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:40 AM
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18. Examples of more MSM versions on this from around the world:
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 10:23 AM by newyawker99
Note: see especially the London Times account below...

(Toronto Star/NYT): Questions linger over death of al-Zarqawi
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149976210315&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724
Head appeared intact after pulverizing blast
Jun. 11, 2006. 01:00 AM
DEXTER FILKINS AND JOHN F. BURNS
NEW YORK TIMES

HIBHIB, Iraq—The two 230-kilogram bombs that killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi pulverized the brick house where he spent his final minutes, vaporizing walls and the foundation, hurling concrete blocks 90 metres into the weeds and blasting a crater 12 metres wide and deep.

"A big hole, sir," said Sgt.-Major Gary Rimpley, 46, of Penrose, Colo., who reached the scene about 90 minutes after the bombs fell.

Yesterday, three days after the air strike that ended the life of Iraq's most feared terrorist leader, the scene here was a bit tidier than in those first minutes after the attack: the bodies of the six people, including a child, who U.S. officers say died in the strike, were gone. The most useful bits of intelligence had been carted away. The once-gaping crater was reduced by bulldozer to a ditch.

Still, given the extraordinary destruction evident at the house, a number of questions lingered, including how anyone could have survived such an attack, even for a few minutes, as U.S. and Iraqi officials say al-Zarqawi did. It seemed puzzling, too, surveying the destruction, how al-Zarqawi's head and upper body, shown on television screens across the world, could have remained largely intact.

With rumours circulating in the Iraqi media that al-Zarqawi had begun to run from the house as the first bomb struck, U.S. officials said two military pathologists had arrived in Iraq to perform an autopsy to determine the precise cause of his death.

One Iraqi witness has come forward and told reporters a man resembling al-Zarqawi was pulled from an ambulance by U.S. troops and beaten before he died. For now, whatever clues remained of al-Zarqawi's violent life lay in the rubble of the house in Hibhib, about 50 kilometres north of Baghdad.

/more...

(Mumbai DNAindia/AFP): 'Zarqawi could have been beaten to death by US forces'
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1034798
AFP
Sunday, June 11, 2006 17:37 IST

LONDON: The leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, may have have been beaten to death by US forces following the air strike on his safe house, two British newspapers claimed on Sunday.

The Observer and the Sunday Times both carried reports on events leading up to his death, citing apparent eye-witnesses to the immediate aftermath of the attack near the city of Baquba on last Wednesday.

In a two-page report, The Observer said that although there was no corroboration of the claims that the badly-injured Zarqawi was beaten to death, revelations of revenge killings by US troops means it cannot be discounted.

It quoted one man as saying US soldiers pulled a man resembling Zarqawi from an ambulance where locals had placed him, wrapped his traditional Arab robe, the dishdasha, around his head and battered him severely till he died.

The Sunday Times went into more detail, citing 25-year-old labourer, Ali Abbas, as saying: "They (the US soldiers) were shouting and screaming and in a very tense and agitated mood".

He added: "The Americans tore his dishdasha and they kept on asking him through an interpreter, 'What is your name, what is your name?'."


/more...

The Sunday Times June 11, 2006
How Iraq's ghost of death was cornered

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2220222,00.html
America clocked up a rare victory in Iraq last week with the killing of al-Zarqawi. Can it maintain the momentum?
Hala Jaber in Baghdad, Sarah Baxter in Washington and Michael Smith

He was still alive and moaning from an injury to his head when American helicopters and Humvees arrived at the scene. It had taken seven Iraqi men to drag him from the rubble minutes after the American air strike on the farmhouse where he was staying in the village of Hibhib.

They did not know then that the man they were trying to save was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq and the country's most wanted terrorist.

Ali Abbas, 25, a labourer, had just got home on Wednesday when, shortly after 6pm, the first of two huge blasts shook his house. He was only 300 yards from where the F-16 aircraft dropped two 500lb laser-guided bombs.

“It was so close I thought my uncle’s house next door had been attacked,” he said.

In the calm that followed, Abbas rushed out to help. He found his uncle unharmed, but as they looked across the fence they saw that the neighbouring house on the edge of a date palm grove was a smouldering wreck.

“We ran to it and started to look around for anything, but it had all been reduced to rubble,” he said. “We saw the bodies of two women that had been flung away from the blast. Both were dead. Another body was totally destroyed and in pieces, and then we heard a moan coming from another part of the house.”


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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 04:06 PM
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20. The first story makes one wonder if...
if he was even in that house to begin with.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 09:17 AM
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19. From what is being reported, the seminal source of that is a
single observer outside the immediate area. Not clear what the credibility of that source is but the Arab street is buying it big time.

Being near two blasts of that magnitude, I would bet that is what the autopsy will show the white butterfly so him surviving was not possible. Fittingly ironic if true.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 04:08 PM
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21. I thought his face and tongue
were swollen compared to the injuries seen on him...
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