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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 01:02 PM
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The fax that reveals US is flying terror suspects to Europe’s secret jails
The fax that reveals the US is flying terror suspects to Europe’s secret jails

SPECIAL REPORT: By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor

THE intercepted top-secret fax contained information that Amer ica never wanted the world to know – that the US was holding war-on-terror captives at clandestine “black site” prisons in eastern Europe.
The fax, datelined November 10, 2005, 8.24pm, was sent by the Egyptian foreign minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, in Cairo, to his ambassador in London. It revealed that the US had detained at least 23 Iraqi and Afghani captives at a military base called Mihail Kogalniceanu in Romania, and added that similar secret prisons were also to be found in Poland, Ukraine, Kosovo, Macedonia and Bulgaria.

The discovery of the fax seriously undermines the US’s denial that it has ever used secret detention facilities, breaching international law. It also adds to the pressure for the release of information on “extraordinary renditions”. These rendition flights see kidnapped terror suspects taken by the CIA to countries where torture is common, such as Uzbekistan. British intelligence has supported this practice and UK airports, particulary Prestwick, have given CIA jets logistical support.

The Council of Europe last week published the results of its long-running investigation into rendition and found that 14 European countries, including Britain, had colluded with the CIA. It also suggested that secret prisons were operating in eastern Europe, but did not have conclusive proof.

The fax, intercepted by Swiss intelligence, indicates that Egypt has such proof. It is headed: “The Egyptians have access to sources which confirm the existence of American secret prisons”.

more at:
http://www.sundayherald.com/56171
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 01:34 PM
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1. Be honest bush, you are sending possible terrorist
to other countries to beat the truth/confessions out of them. We have hundreds locked up at Gitmo, apparently that isn't good enough for the bushcos because they might be under scrutiny, so we send possible bad guys to countries that don't have laws to stop the torture method of getting info. What happen to trials?? What is bush's explaination for not trying people for alleged crimes? The Middle East has obviously gotten worse since we invaded Iraq and the Arabs are getting more and more hostile toward the U.S. in particular and we pull this sh-t!

quotes from article:

"The activities of one secret CIA rendition jet do indicate that captives have been dropped off in Romania. The plane, N313P, a Boeing 737, landed in Timisoara on January 25, 2004 just before midnight after flying from Kabul. It stayed on the runway for just over an hour and then flew on to Palma, Mallorca, where a CIA rendition team stayed in a hotel under fake identities.

-snip-

Rendition jet N313P also travelled from Tashkent, Uzbekistan, to Kabul on September 21, 2003. On September 22, it flew from Kabul to Szymany, a Polish defence ministry airfield. Close by is the Stare Kiejkuty base used by Polish intelligence. CIA jet N313P stayed only 64 minutes before flying to Romania."
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 02:24 PM
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2. Dec 9th, 2005: Romania provides the US with complex military facilities
On Tuesday evening, the American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Romanian Foreign minister Mihai Razvan Ungureanu signed the access accord on establishing American military facilities in Romania , at Cotroceni Palace . The ceremony was attended by both president Traian Basescu and prime minister Calin Popescu Tariceanu .

Before signing the accord, the President said that the locations for placing military facilities would be Kogalniceanu , Babadag , Cincu and Smârdan .
...
"Let's not forget that we cannot prevent an attack if we do not know that the attack occurs. Information is the only means through which we can find out about an attack before it actually occurs. I think we can say that eliminating terrorists from the streets saved human lives. What I publicly said to my colleagues, that we intend to use all legal means to capture, arrest and interrogate in order to gain the information we need, means that all these tactics are saving lives. Without intelligence services, we cannot save lives ", Rice concluded.

http://www.roembus.org/english/news/international_media/2005/December/09Dec_Mediafax_Romania%20provides%20the%20US%20with%20complex%20military%20facilities.htm


So it's now an official American military facility. That must make investigation of it easy. :sarcasm:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:23 PM
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3. Well, Condi, I'd have to say this in response
The only terror attack to occur on the Continental American soil was
an event occurring while Dick Cheny, Vice President of the USA, oversaw
the war games that included simulations of jetliners crashing into
skyscrapers.

In my view there is no need to hold these little and pathetic Muslim
"terrorists" in captivity. We know who perpetuated this Reichstag-style
terror on the American people. And many of us, including some
very vocal right wing talk show hosts (I am thinking of Micahel Savage
here) think that the next wave of terroir will be against American citizens
who are outspoken about how much they detest Bush and everything that he
stands for.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 09:07 PM
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4. kick
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 09:25 PM
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5. How is it that B*/Cheney object so much to comparisons of Hitler, and
what is the precise distinction between torture camps and concentration camps, when the former commit suicide so long as they still can arrange it, and the latter are gassed to death after living in torture?
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