Does Zarqawi really deserve the Time magazine giant red X?

I mean, isn't that reserved for the really really big fishes, like Hitler and Saddam...and possibly Osama in the future. But who the hell is Zarqawi anyway, just another overhyped boogeyman of our creation. The Bush whitehouse talked this guy up, building itself up for a huge pat on the back for when they kill him. Remember first it was this Al-Sadr clown, now Zarqawi. I'd wager that 65% of the American people couldn't tell you who he was before the killing. Does he really deserve the red X?

:shrug: He's dead. That's a good thing!

with more being made everyday that we're in Iraq.

Forgive me for not throwing up a "GOOOOO Team!" flag.

"A gooooo team flag'?? :shrug:

There are ALWAYS going to be "insurgents", "terrorists" fighting in Iraq, until we LEAVE!!!
But at least this fucker is dead.

so "the fucker's dead" so what has been accomplished? is the killing over? does this mean war was worth it? is the civilian casualty going to increase or possibly increase?


that's "what the fuck I'm talking about"

once again, I can't adopt the cheerleader attitude over this because of this ugly little thing called reality that I am unable to ignore.

the "coalition" to deal with. That's a good thing!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

take his place. That's the point.


Assuming Arab terrorists were responsible for 9/11, the story goes they did that in order to scare us, to put fear into us, to make our population thousands less than before which it did.



When that happened did you lie down in fear? did you believe all hope was lost?

No you more than likely were thinking what myself and every other American was thinking at the time: "We're going to kill the motherfuckers who did this"


Well take a wild guess as to what thousands of those "insurgents" are thinking right at this moment when one of theirs has just been killed by foreign invaders.


The exact same thing that you're thinking right now.

to hide and protect Zarqawi: Zarqawi was credited with being an unusually effective, experienced and ruthless terrorist. The fact that he was killed shows that al Qaeda in Iraq has security weaknesses (it's reported Zarqawi was betrayed by an insider). It also weakens the organization because any new leadership must worry that much more about their safety, and the successful strike may well deter the most capable individiual from assuming leadership (regardless of brave rhetoric about martyrdom).

I'm not a supporter of the US war in Iraq, nor (certainly) am I a fan of Bush and his people. But I believe killing Zarqawi was a good thing. He's responsible for an awful lot of misery and murder, much of it directed not as the US but at Iraqis (Shiites in particular).

and the next boogeyman that pops up. It will go on and on and on. When will it end?

I'm not going to defend a position which states that Zarqawi should have been left to live because that is not my position. It is also not my position that anything was accomplished with his death.

The fact is it's less than a spit in the bucket. Where Zarqawi ended, as I stated there are many more ready and willing to carry on what he did.

The question is simple: how is that region, our soldiers, the Iraqis going to deal with the future Zarqawi's that will rear their ugly heads in the future forever as there is conflict in that region? what does a death of one bad man do for the cause of humanity in that region specifically as it pertains to further fueling the fires of war amongst his followers?

:shrug: :sarcasm:

That we should end the police action in Iraq???
:rofl:


If that's what you're saying, then I agree.

"No you more than likely were thinking what myself and every other American was thinking
at the time: "We're going to kill the motherfuckers who did this"

No. That isn't what I was thinking! I know war and knew this was all wrong!
But you just admitted you were "cheering them on!" asshat!
You should be ashamed of yourself!! Is the guilt tearing you up at night?
:shrug:

"Well take a wild guess as to what thousands of those "insurgents" are thinking
right at this moment when one of theirs has just been killed by foreign invaders.
The exact same thing that you're thinking right now."

I can only imagine what the "terrorists" / "insurgents" are thinking right now.

How dare you claim to know what I'm thinking! You should grow up...and fast!
You are beginning to sound like a nutcase.

I don't even have to say anything else. I made my point clearly and thus far history is in my corner.

With phrases like "asshat" I am truly grateful that someone of your caliber is reminding me that I'm the one who should "grow up"

"You're a pompous ass?"

I'll bet you hear it all the time!

Yes noah; you are THE ONLY ONE ON DU who has protested the war in Iraq!!!
ONLY YOU!!!!! You are the ONLY ONE!!

Except you already admitted that you were cheering them on!!
Sleeping well at night?

what you're saying. Re-read what I posted and just listen to how ridiculous you sound. In particular try to reason out the notion that I am "cheering" on the terrorists. I never said anything of the sort and for you to try to accuse me of it makes you look like a complete fool.

Pompous is a term I've never been called before especially when I am making a well reasoned argument with the facts on my side. Either bring something intelligent to say to this discussion or the conversation's over.

"No you more than likely were thinking what myself and every other American was thinking
at the time: "We're going to kill the motherfuckers who did this"

Sounds like cheering to me! You included yourself in that statement.

You lecture from your self-imposed pedestal yet you cheered WAR on!
Ha! I call fraud!

I am admitting now that I was wrong; that was the point of what I said. What was there to "cheer for" after 9/11?

If I am wrong that after 9/11 you didn't feel vengeful then please state so, however judging by your gleefulness over the death of a man who doesn't even know you exist I can take an educated guess as to how you felt towards those responsible for 9/11 that day.

What I said in the bold which you choose to use as evidence that I'm a fraud was clearly a statement that this is how I felt then, that I matured since then and I am displaying humility by confessing that at that time I like most Americans felt anger, vengeance, and wanted "justice" for what happened.

So you call me a fraud and pompous yet the position you are taking here is clearly one that states that the unpure are frauds, that you cannot ever change a position on something even if it is for the better. I imagine you yourself are of pure thought and never made decisions or ever had thoughts which contradicted past beliefs-yet I'M the one who is trying to make a subservant of others.

In fact I was also making a point which you clearly missed. That of the fact that 9/11 was meant to scare Americans-it enraged them, made the majority of us thirsting for revenge, not necessarily war, just a closure of some kind that revolved around they killed us we gotta kill them now.

Well over in Iraq you've got American soldiers killing off whom to us are terrorists but to many they are called freedom fighters. Unlike most Americans though, these people have spent their life training for war, fighting a war, they are not afraid to die, they are not afraid to risk life or limb for their cause and my simple point and question is that what makes you think that the death of one of their leaders will make them back down now after all the sacrifice, death and destruction that's been placed upon them?

I know you aren't this hollow, I am not asking you to agree with me I am just asking you to think and not act on emotion or personal dreams of revenge or the idea that bringing death on one bad man can solve anything in a region with an infinite number of bad men especially when a percentage of their cause is to exact violence on foreign soldiers who have no business being on their land in the first place-basically we've given them nothing more than a reason to continue their campaign of violence and death upon anyone who is not with them.

The disscussion was about IRAQ! Whatever....

Was I appalled with what happened on 9-11? Yes.

Was I extremely upset about bush invading Iraq? Hell yeah!!!

Zarqawi is from JORDAN! He isn't "one of them" (Iraqi's)
Didn't you read the Jordan link I posted?
The irradication of Zarqawi is a good thing.
He was a killer of men, women and children.
Jordanian's, Iraqi's, Americans and British, etc.
He was the self-professed leader of al-queda in Iraq.
He was an organizer and a murderer.
Although it will not stop more of the same, his part is through.
I never said I was "gleeful"; so stop trying to put words in my mouth
or portend you know what I may be thinking.

I said I was glad the fucker is dead. That isn't 'glee'!
Maybe there will be less IED's in the roads. Who knows?
You don't and nobody else does either. It's a 'wait and see'...

And stop trying to 'educate' me. You have no idea what I know.

As I said before, "pompous ass"!

no hero for the Iraqi people. He killed even more of them than of us. He was no Iraqi freedom fighter. He is underserving of any sympathy imo. F!ck him to hell.

So long as humanity thinks that killing is the way to stop killing death will reign supreme with more than enough bodies to fill the bottomless void.

No hero to the Iraqi people? how do you know? he is certainly a hero to enough that they are willing to call for more bloodshed to avenge his death and subsequently continue to create a wasteland of danger and death for all who currently reside in the region.

Just out of curiosity did you know who Zarqawi was prior to the Iraq invasion? did you even care then?

I recoil when I read things like, "I'm glad the fucker is dead" in this case because it implies that the writer accepts as fact everything they've been told by an administration whose benchmark achievement for five years has been endless lying.

So I guess the psy-ops has penetrated even some here at DU.

He's a thorny part of the ruling coalition and his militia is apparently much stronger now, likely due in part to the PR benefits of fighting the US and living to tell the tale.

Sadr is the most powerful man in Iraq, regardless of how much of an ass he is. The security services and police throughout the country are laced with his men. They're basically the Mahdi army in police uniforms.

Zarqawi was a feckless high school drop out thug with an IQ of about 75, indeed a product of the White House propaganda machine, and it's going to bite them in the ass. The Bush regime always does this. They take a conflict or whatever else and reduce the whole thing down into the personality of one man - like Saddam, like UBL, like Arafat, in order to give them full authority to go ape $hit because of the impending doom that will surely emanate from these unpleasant personalities and manifest itself into a huge storm that will sweep down on us, wipe out our way of life and annihilate everything else we've ever known. They no longer have a bogeyman now. Fresh out. They can forget about UBL, he's a ghost and he has little sway in Iraq anyway. So who is the devil now mr. prez? I rather hope the successor to Zarqawi never shows his face, never makes a speech or develops and maintains any public presence whatsoever. Let's see how these morons try to explain the meat grinder to the people now when there are no more monsters sauntering about.

His militia enaged yesterday in a pitched battle with English soldiers somewhere in the south of Iraq. Progress is indeed being made....

Mahdi and the Virtue Party and its people...

Gov. al'Maliki is calling the dead irregulars martyrs, and local police called them Mr. Sadr's men in the AFP account. That is as good as we are likely to get....

It's a mess either way.

in supporting our war. For a moment, anyway.

I'd consider that an insult to Holocaust victims.

But I do find it interesting
that they "disembodied" him.

Time is as truthful as marvel comics, and half as informative. Whatever
they put in their cartoons is a lurid and stupid as most cartoon stupidity
from whatever entertainment comic book, be it newsweek, news of the world,
the daily (whatever), and time magazine.