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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 11:48 PM
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The Punitive Society and its effect on compliance
How is compliance learned?

We live in a punitive world. This is to say that the most typical reaction from the world to anything you do is punitive. You do something – anything – and the world kicks back at you.

This is something we experience from early childhood. You move, you get hurt. You try to climb, you fall over. You try to walk, you fall over. Anything you have learned is accompanied by a history of more or less unpleasant reactions from the world.

This also goes for society as a whole. You do something that is not approved by society, and society acts like the rest of the world: something you don't like to happen, happens. You are thrown in prison, fined, or just in general frowned upon. Hardly does the world offer to tell you what you should have done instead or, often more important, how you should go about to be able to do what you should have done instead.

As it happens, however, behavior is typically most efficiently changed when new behavior is immediately followed by a pleasant response. There are qualifications to this statement, but, to paint with a broad brush, behaviors that are immediately followed by something pleasant are more likely to be repeated. So how do we learn anything?. Because our parents have successfully held negative consequences at bay, and made us a world in which obeying has more pleasant consequences than disobeying. This is one of the most important issues in child rearing: make the world more rewarding and less punitive.

more http://www.roffe.com/misc/001.php
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:55 AM
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1. I don't think my parents got the hang of that one..
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:01 AM
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2. Thanks for the links.
It's an interesting subject and I look forward to reading them.

Probably a lot of parent don't get this maybe because of the way they were taught.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:27 AM
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3. Yep sad ain't it
People often realize child abuse is a generational problem and it ruins society from it's very source,the next generation..
I would love to see a day..This begins..
"What we want . . . is the complete destruction of the domination and exploitation of man by man;
we want men united as brothers by a consensus and desired solidarity, all cooperating voluntarily for the wellbeing of all; we want society to be constituted for the purpose of supplying everybody with the means for achieving the maximum well-being, the maximum possible moral and spiritual development; we want bread, freedom, love and science--for everybody.”Errico Malatesta (1853-1932)

...And this ends..
"Each generation begins anew with fresh, eager, trusting faces of babies, ready to love and create a new world.
And each generation of parents tortures, abuses, neglects and dominates its children until they become emotionally crippled adults who repeat in nearly exact detail the social violence and domination that existed in previous decades."
-- Lloyd deMause in The Psychogenic Theory of History
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