EXACTLY WHERE IS THE US WINNING "THE WAR ON TERROR?"

Does Bushyboy have to send them an engraved invitation? He's called them cowards multiple times. Many very vocal supporters of the war claim that absense of an attack proves terrorists are weak. An attack would certainly improve his poll numbers and Mr. Resident is doing all he can to spread the word that our borders and ports remain unprotected. Perhaps he could provide further assistance to terrorists by flying them into the country on Air Force One.

where the US military can strengthen US control over the region.

And it's all about the FUCKING OIL!!!

It's got NOTHING to do with WMDs or Nucular weapons or Democracy or (insert BS talking point here)



Imagine taking the $300 billion spent for Iraq and putting it into creating an alternative energy source and infrastructure here making the US energy-independent (corn- or soy-based ethanol)?

"where the US military can strengthen US control over the region." I believe they want to destabilize the Mid-East and EVERY major oil producing region.

political climate in the Middle East and to PRIVATIZE natural resources in Iraq would have provided a better stream of revenue for the base while the ideologues of the PNAC got their jollies in watching Muslims die by the thousands so Israel would be "safe" and "freedom" would reign.

I full well expected a civil war in Iraq when we invaded, didn't you?

You see, I'm a reformed Republican. I voted for Bush in 2000 and was even for the invasion in 2003.

I had my revelation about 6-9 months later and am utterly dismayed in that I was oh-so-blind to what was going on.

And, when you consider the current opinions and statements from the likes of Perle, Kristol, Ledeen and Hadley still in the admin and also Rumsfeld (hell, throw in Hitchens, too), well, they TRULY believed in their ideology and that the US would be greeted as liberators. They were not students to history and ignored how the British helped to create Iraq from a portion of the former Ottoman Empire.

These people are literally batshit insane.

As far as some of the others, Wolfowitz has managed to escape much of the debate of late in his nice spot at the World Bank and others like Fukuyama are lamenting their ideology and the way the B/C WH strategeryized.

Perhaps I don't want to imagine an administration WANTING a destabilized Middle East which would only foment a huge increase in Islamist desire to fight the "far-enemy" instead of their typical focus on the "near-enemy". Esp. given the insane cost of what's transpired so far in terms of lives and money.

I'd also like to expand this thread... Please present comments by our leaders directed toward countries on the list at the link.

Well, they've liberated billions and billions of tax dollars that might have otherwise been wasted on roads, or schools, or health care benefiting millions of Americans, and funneled those dollars into the pockets of their campaign benefactors and financiers. Meanwhile, many of the people hit hardest by this nonsense are worried about "permanently" repealing the estate tax.

When will people get a clue?

You turn on FAUX and they will tell you that we have already won the war. We are just fighting over there to give them Democracy or some other bull shit story for the day.

what do the countries in the OP have in common?

That's the answer to both your questions. The "war on terror" was designed to scare the hell out of all of us and as an excuse for our criminal government to wage a war of aggression while stealing us blind. The "war on ideas" is waged daily within this country with the media as the tool - keeping us all confused and exhausted from doublespeak, obfuscation and lies.

We are the target of both, and they're winning.

oil is above $70 a barrel, patriot act, BBV, etc...

things are looking real good if you are bent on world domination financed by the price of oil and suppression of dissent here at home.

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a majority of US troops out of SA and into Iraq. Saddam Hussein, a secular leader, out-Shiites gain more power--the war in Iraq increases recruitment to Al Quaeda. Hussein was against Al Quaeda and especially Shiite fundamentalism. It seems we've given OBL everything he's wanted.