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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:17 AM
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The PNACers ar packing it in: Mission Accomplished in Iraq!
The doors may be closing shortly on the nine-year-old Project for a New American Century, the neoconservative think tank headed by William Kristol , former chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle and now editor of the Weekly Standard, which is must reading for neocon cogitators and agitators.

The PNAC was short on staff -- having perhaps a half-dozen employees -- but very long on heavy hitters. The founders included Richard B. Cheney , Donald H. Rumsfeld , Paul D. Wolfowitz , Jeb Bush , I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby , William J. Bennett, Zalmay Khalilzad and Quayle.

The goal was to continue the Reaganite, muscular approach to projecting American power and "moral clarity" in a post-Cold War world, the group's manifesto said. The targets were liberal drift and conservative isolationism.

PNAC and its supporters dominated the Bush administration's foreign policy apparatus and championed a policy to get rid of Saddam Hussein long before Sept. 11, 2001.

In its famous 1998 letter to President Bill Clinton , PNAC said "removing Saddam Hussein and his regime . . . now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy." Clinton was urged to use all diplomatic, political and military means to topple him.

Despite the happy chatter before the Iraq invasion about cheering crowds and bouquets and cakewalks and how the war was going to pay for itself, the signatories wrote that "we are fully aware of the dangers of implementing this policy."

There had been debate about PNAC's future, but the feeling, a source said, was of "goal accomplished" and it looks to be heading toward closing. Former executive director Gary J. Schmitt , who had been executive director of President Ronald Reagan 's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, left recently for a post at the American Enterprise Institute. (Not a big move. Actually, only five floors up from PNAC.) Still, seems like a short century.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/11/AR2006061100739.html
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:20 AM
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1. these people are slime - how do they sleep at night? Makes my blood boil..
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:39 AM
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8. They sleep just fine, name one rich elitist thats ever had troubles
sleeping. Did mao? did stalin? did hitler? The ends justify the means in their book so why should they care who dies or is hurt as long as it serves their purpose? Your dealing with people that have no empathy or sympathy for their fellow man, its all what they want and the hell with anyone that gets in their way. Liberals have got to realize that as long as they care about others these people will always get their way. I remember a time in this country when people cheered anyone that got one over on the government, not anymore nows its if I can't have it no one can. Screw the have nots they are stealing my share of the pie. Little do they realize its the haves and have mores that are the ones stealing from them, they don't see them on a daily base, who they do see are the have nots trying to survive and when a have not pulls out the food stamps to pay for a steak watch out time for them to decide what a person can buy with food stamps. They even have lists of foods that people on food stamps shouldn't be allowed to have, heres the short list of food stamp use thats acceptable, beans, rice and chitlins. Everything other then those 3 things food stamps shouldn't be used to buy.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:44 PM
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26. Ah, you're really Debbie Downer
Tongue-in-cheek, mrcheerful?

I have seen many, many, things in the food baskets of food stamp recipients; and have never seen chitlins; have certainly seen a lot of beans and rice as they're staples of everyone's diet in Louisiana.

There are always complaints about what is bought with food stamp money, for example, cokes, chips, cookies, etc. You get the drift. This is truly a righteous criticism. None of the above is cost efficient, and is certainly not nutritious. Fresh, frozen or canned fruits and vegetables and lean meat should certainly be at the top of the list. Lobster, steak and other high priced items should certainly be prohibited in addition to the junk food listed above.

Do you have a government list of the prohibited items? If so, I would certainly like to see it posted in this forum.

Perhaps you would like to see cigarettes and beer added to the "can purchase" list.

The goal is to provide as much nutrition as possible to the most people. I'm sure that there is room for improvement, but your assessment is "beyond the pale".
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:38 PM
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28. Freepers use this logic
when trying to decide what the poor can eat and what they can't eat. So after living on beans and rice for a month the poor shouldn't be able to treat themselves and their children to a steak dinner. BTW I have yet to see a person buy lobsters or high grade steaks, most I see buy a round steak and cut it down to make a few meals from it. As far as beer and cigarettes go, no I don't think the poor need either to be used on food stamps. We have enough drunks in this freeped out nation. Also, the list I was taking about is exactly like the one you seem to be for its put up by the freepers every time a welfare topic comes up. Another screw the poor I want mine type person here? How dare the poor buy something they don't need.
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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:24 AM
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2. Reaganite muscular approach?
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 10:25 AM by The Deacon
That flaccid penis couldn't pick up a case of clap in a Tijuana whorehouse. Excuse my language but barfing up my morning bagel always makes me a little testy.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:27 AM
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16. Cut and ran from Lebanon. And Grenada? Did they have an army? n/t
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:25 AM
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3. Well, we'll always have
that catastrophic and catalyzing event.

Shame it won't change anything since militaristic expansion has been in America's blood since day one. See you boys(and girls) around by another name, in another form, because power never dies.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:26 AM
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4. They won't go away. PNAC will morph into something else.
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 10:38 AM by sparosnare
They're all upstairs at the American Enterprise Institute, which was created to support PNAC's agenda and give its members a forum. As far as declaring Mission Accomplished in Iraq, if you understand PNAC's objective, it's not a stretch. Although they bloviated about spreading democracy to the Middle East, their true intent was to destabilize Iraq and install a puppet government which would allow us to use the country as a staging ground. We will never leave Iraq - so Mission Accomplished there, but it wasn't to end with Iraq.

The rest of PNAC's plan (Iran, Syria, etc.) - there seem to be some kinks and they're a bit off schedule, so they'll call themselves something else and come up with another plan.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:03 AM
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13. Exactly. Now that light has exposed their darkness and genocidal tendenci
es, it's time to come up with a new "foundation" or think tank!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:07 PM
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22. From 2 months ago: The PNAC is dead - long live the Henry Jackson Society?
I happened to look at the Wikipedia entry for the PNAC, and noticed that the final external reference commented that the last update to their website was in December 2005, their email box is full, and their search function doesn't work. Sure enough, this is true (I haven't tried the email). So, 4 months with no apparent activity? Perhaps they've just lost their webmaster; but perhaps they really have gone into hibernation - or have even given up producing anything new at all.

The reason for suspecting the latter was the strange case of the "Committee for a Strong Europe". In October 2005, Pascal Riché, a journalist for Liberation in France, noted this new group, in TPM Cafe, and included confirmation from Gary Schmitt, of the PNAC, of the 'Committee' and its links to the PNAC. Other websites seemed to talk about the PNAC "ceasing its existence last week, to be replaced the next day by the Committee for a Strong Europe", or being "discretely dissolved 2 weeks ago" (though that was in French, so something may have been lost in my translation). See the DU thread about this at the time. The honorary presidents were said to be Jose Maria Aznar (right wing, Iraq-war-supporting ex-Prime Minister of Spain) and John McCain.

But the web presence of the CfaSE seems to be zero since this initial story. Perhaps it never existed as anything more than a dream of Schmitt. However, another group has appeared - the Henry Jackson Society. Although named after the neocons' favourite Democratic senator, it's based in Britain, and the Organising Committee is a bunch of twenty-something history PhD candidates at Cambridge. But they got a large list of moderately well-known British politicians (Conservative and Blairite Labour), journalists (mostly from Murdoch's Times), professors and retired MI6 and NATO personnel to sign their Statement of Principles, and their 'international patrons' are stuffed with PNAC people - James Woolsey, Richard Perle, Joshua Muravchik (despite the 'socialist' tag), Clifford May, William Kristol, Robert Kagan and Bruce P. Jackson. The only 2 who aren't PNACers are General Jack Sheehan (vice-president of war profiteers Bechtel) and Michael McFaul (liberal hawk who wrote a WSJ article advocating regime change in Iran in 2004, quoted approvingly on the PNAC website).
...
A pretty good match, really. The HJS gives a nod to a few limits on capitalism and preservation of civil liberties, which the Committee doesn't mention. While the Henry Jackson Society came into being in March 2005, it appears to have stayed as a Cambridge University society until November, when it got a London launch, courtesy of its MP members. That got coverage in national newspapers. Did the Committee for a Strong Europe fizzle out, and the rebirth of the PNAC get transferred to a convenient University think-tank? Gary Schmitt did talk to them in August. Is the PNAC passing its baton to the dinner tables of Cambridge University and a new generation of article writers pushing for invasions?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x956104
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:09 PM
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23. true
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:26 AM
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5. Mission Accomplished
Lord, where do we get such men?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:32 AM
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6. whow--the WPost has this article.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:37 AM
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7. Just like OSP packed it in
WaPo finally acknowledges the elephant in the living room, and gives it a pass of course.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:46 AM
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9. Please get it. PNAC was the WHAT & WHY. AEI is the HOW WHEN &
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 10:52 AM by higher class
HOW MUCH. PNAC is still very much alive. It's only that they want us smoked and mirrored.

Take a look at the home screen at C-Span - highest priority to the AEI logo pointing to the coverage a huge AIE bash. www.c-span.org

AEI and AIPAC is where PNAC support money goes. They get to hire the big experts on a permanent basis. They figure out how to carry out the plan and then they get our military, media, Congress, banks. WH, intelligence agencies to do their bidding. They get the people and the agencies we pay for to carry out THEIR PLAN.

Don't be fooled. PNAC is not going away. It's only a name change transition to their operations unit.

Yes, don't be smoked and mirrored. The mirror reflects AEI and AIPAC.

Did they say the refute the PNAC plan? Did they say they are abandoning the PNAC plan? No - it's only an illusion. Too many people started getting educated about PNAC. Now we must educate them about AEI and AIPAC and all the other unfragmented organizations. They are hardly fragmented.

Also, by transitioning names they may get away from some legal problems?

C-SPAN loves AEI - their seminars are covered more than the Heritage Foundation. WJ loves AIE - theri experts appear more than the Heritage Foundation.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:48 AM
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19. PBS too...
Whenever there's a neocon to represent the right on a PBS show, you can bet it's from AEI! Further when it is identified and it is associated with both the PNAC and the AEI, AEI is the billing PNAC is never mentioned.

This is also a follow up to one of the founders having "second thoughts" about the PNAC. I can't remember it in the news, but that's where I heard it.

-Hoot
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:50 AM
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10. K&R.
Not for one minute do I believe that they are packing it in. They will just put lipstick on a new pig and rename themselves.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:52 AM
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11. The Heart of Darkness & Useful Idiots...
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:56 AM
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12. Junkdrawer - I have that movie in my Netflix queue...
I'm looking forward to seeing it. Wonder when it comes out for wide distribution.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:42 PM
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25. Which one?
The Power of Nightmares or The Heart of Darkness? I did an IMdb search on the latter and none got good reviews that I saw. I find the book superior to even Apocalypse Now.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:04 AM
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14. Sorry, but this smells like a disinformation piece
PNAC still has some of its goals unaccomplished, namely the invasion and conquesto of Iran and Syria. They want these two nations under their thumb in order to dominate Mid East oil resources. While PNAC may officially close down, it will continue to operate under other names and organizations. After all, they haven't dominated the entire world yet, and their complete set of goals hasn't been met yet.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:14 AM
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15. Bilderberg Group
Many of these PNAC guys belong to this secret organization of about 120 people that just held a high-security meeting in Ottawa - Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Richard Perle, Kissinger, etc. Even Clinton has a connection to the group. And John Warner of VA. You are right. PNAC may have become too visible lately and these guys may feel the need to distance themselves from it. But their goals haven't been met yet and they aren't going away.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:48 PM
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27. LOL! That was my first thought, too
PNAC is/was more of a subsidiary of Bilderberg. They're not going away at all. Just re-engineering a little.

Welcome to DU!
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:15 PM
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30. Someone on Huffpo agrees with you MadHound
I posted this in another thread, but it bears reposting, I think.
Pay particular attention to the list of 'Distinguished Advisors' and the Board of Advisors.


No so fast, they just changed the name.....


http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1475...

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) has become one of the most prominent and influential in the array of traditionally right-wing and neoconservative think tanks.

In its view, the "major ideological threat to democracies comes from Islamic extremism and rogue states," which are the "leading supporters of terrorism and totalitarianism." Although FDD does not define its own ideology, the positions and philosophy it promotes mirror those of neoconservative ideologues and institutes--with respect to the centrality of Israel,

Republican Party insiders dominate FDD's board, and its president, Clifford May, is the former director of communications for the Republican National Committee (1997-2001) and was the editor of Rising Tide, the party's official magazine. FDD's three board members are Steve Forbes, Jack Kemp, and Jeane Kirkpatrick. As a way to achieve widespread acceptance of its positions on counterterrorism and on Middle East affairs, FDD has two bipartisan advisory groups.
Its four "Distinguished Advisers" are Newt Gingrich, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Louis J. Freeh (former FBI director), and James Woolsey. FDD also has a Board of Advisers, whose members are: Gary Bauer, Donna Brazile, Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY), Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL), Frank Gaffney, Amb. Marc Ginsberg, Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), Charles Jacobs, William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Hon. Richard D. Lamm, Richard Perle, Rep. Jim Marshall (D-GA), Sen. Zell Miller (D-GA), and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY).
By: Elucid on June 12, 2006 at 10:48am


-chef-
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:47 AM
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17. Not packing it in....functioning as a sleeper cell
Cynic warning!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:47 AM
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18. In other words, too many people know their name, time for a rebranding.
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 11:55 AM by glitch
Can't be elite if the commoners know who you are and what you're doing.
Besides, they know their current brand reeks of hubris and failure.

These guys will stink for the rest of human history.

Edit: the only goal they've accomplished is filling their private coffers with public loot. Granted, a very nice coup for them.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:53 AM
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20. The difference now though is the blogoshere watching them carefully.
not saying they won't reband, but it won't be so easy to quietly plot this bs anymore.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:57 AM
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21. Oh yes, the stench will follow them wherever they go, no matter what they
do.
It's hard imagining what could possibly redeem them in the future's eyes.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:26 PM
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24. Let's just call them...
The conspirators, who have conspired and who will continue to conspire. Anyone who doesn't believe that serious conspiracies exist in the USA, is dumber than the average bovine-like FReeper fool/tool.

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:56 PM
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29. Scrubbing the PNAC brandname to grease the PR skids for Jeb Bush's WH run.
So the PNAC is soon to be *disbanded??*

Don't fall for it. They've only just begun.


The doors may be closing shortly on the nine-year-old Project for a New American Century, the neoconservative think tank headed by William Kristol , former chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle and now editor of the Weekly Standard, which is must reading for neocon cogitators and agitators.

The PNAC was short on staff -- having perhaps a half-dozen employees -- but very long on heavy hitters. The founders included Richard B. Cheney , Donald H. Rumsfeld , Paul D. Wolfowitz , Jeb Bush , I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby , William J. Bennett, Zalmay Khalilzad and Quayle.




They've figured out that it *wouldn't be prudent* for the next member of this imperialist dynasty to be remembered as a co-author of the blueprint for global domination by the BFEE/bin Laden/Carlyle juggernaut. So a name change is needed. Just like Total Information Awareness morphed into something else. Just as the illegal wiretapping on Americans is now known as the "Terrorist Surveillance Program."



This is a guy we'd all best keep our eye on. He's a control maniac, the mother of all micromanagers and has bound, beaten and starved Florida since 1998.

He's quite cunning in getting what he wants. Much more dangerous than the puppet. With Jeb, there won't be any need for "handlers".

Just a warning.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:31 PM
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32. Second this. nt
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:23 PM
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31. Guess they are all packing for Brazil
To join the few war criminals remaining alive there who escaped from Germany after WWII.

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:06 PM
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33. So does this mean they will be steeping down
from bushco.:sarcasm:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:34 PM
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34. What about the WINEP? That's like PNAC 2.0.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:36 PM
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35. I'd like to pack them in
The trunk of a car on the edge of a tall cliff.
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:05 PM
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36. "So they acted on plans from the P. N. A. C.
And they sent planes to DIE for the whole world to see"...
Never ever forget that...Burn in Hell bastards...
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