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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:42 AM
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Bush administration quietly plans NAFTA superhighway
Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway

Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497

the freepers are not happy...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647796/posts?q=1&&page=51
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:49 AM
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1. anyone up on this "North American Union" thing?
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:58 AM
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4. North American Union to Replace USA
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:fQXaoJvr0ZwJ:www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php%3Fid%3D14965+north+american+union&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada. This was the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy.

Secretly, the Bush administration is pursuing a policy to expand NAFTA politically, setting the stage for a North American Union designed to encompass the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. What the Bush administration truly wants is the free, unimpeded movement of people across open borders with Mexico and Canada.

President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:18 AM
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self delete
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 11:21 AM by TheGoldenRule
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:22 AM
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10. IP number instead of domain name?
I bet this nonsense comes from a rabid right wing site.

North American Union, LMAO, this has been the paranoid fantasy of the McVeigh types for decades.

I'm sure the US would actually be all over this, but Mexico and Canada are not about to give up their sovereignty -- and make no mistake, that's what it would take.

Now, I believe the superhighway plans but the North American Union is far-fetched and meant to stir up the right wingers.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:43 AM
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18. Here's the ARIN WHOIS search result:
Search results for: 72.14.209.104


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City: Mountain View
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PostalCode: 94043
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CIDR: 72.14.192.0/18
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RTechPhone: +1-650-318-0200
RTechEmail: arin-contact@google.com

OrgTechHandle: ZG39-ARIN
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OrgTechPhone: +1-650-318-0200
OrgTechEmail: arin-contact@google.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-06-11 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.



Looks like it's Google.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:22 AM
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11. Thanks for posting. This has been barely spoken about around DU
Doesn't anyone care about this?! I think it's a horrible idea and if or when it happens...say goodbye to the middle class! :banghead:

p.s. Perhaps you could post a new thread with the info? :hi:
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:25 AM
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12. ok...........here...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:32 PM
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21. Thanks-on my way! eom
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:51 AM
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2. Any bets on whether or not Halliburton has a piece of this?
Is there no end to how much money they want or how many rules they'll ignore, rewrite or create to get it?

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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:55 AM
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3. all this border wall stuff is moot ...
the trucks can come thru this highway from Mexico without stopping until Kansas.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:59 AM
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5. One more scary plan from the bu$h regime.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:00 AM
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6. LOL!
The Bush Administration is the cure for us SCI-Fi fans. Right when StarGate started monopolizing the channel, Bush comes to the rescue giving us more and more farfetched ideas to think about.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:11 AM
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7. I smell WalMart all over this one.
Guess whose trucks will be linking up to I35 in Central Texas?

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizspace/houston/local_column/?story_id=1103985
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:14 AM
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8. NAFTA superhighway built for insurgency to wreck
When the next American revolution starts I'm guessing that the new superhighway will be a target for the "insurgency."

I'm just saying....
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LouisianaLiberal Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:18 AM
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9. This article is by Jerome Corsi, one of the Swiftboat liars.
And the website is unreliable. Having said that, perhaps there are plans for such a thing.

If its true, its just one more step in eliminating organized labor, wage laws, and America's beauty. We're trading untouched land for a semi-permanent industrial wasteland in order to make a quick profit. Do we really want our country to go where it is so obviously going?
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:28 AM
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13. Right thru my house!
There will very few exits on the highway.....only major cities. The land has not been acquired yet, and there is still much debate on whether this thing will ever fly. I serioously doubt they will be starting next year, or the year after! There is to be a rail system down the middle of it, also.

There are currently so many lawsuits filed against this action, I doubt we will see it for another ten yearts, at least!
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:33 AM
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14. Uh, small problem
I'll second what the one guy on FR said. That highway would end up in the middle of nowhere, near Thunder Bay. Thunder Bay is the closest city, by several hours, and it's maybe 125,000 people. Beyond that, it's probably ten hours at least until Winnipeg (600,000). Other than that, the closest city is Fargo, ND. The closest of any size is probably Minneapolis/St. Paul, and that's still twelve hours plus, on the American side already.

No point in building a "NAFTA superhighway" there at all. I smell rat, aside from the fact that it seems a large majority of the Canadian public would never even consider a union with the States. That would be to lose our social freedoms, socialized medicine, our local sovereignty, our system of government, to gain fundies in power, etc. and that's unpalatable to most people. We do, however, have that vote of "no confidence" in a government that would try it.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:50 AM
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19. thunder bay is a beautiful area.
my wife and i took an autumn driving trip around lake superior a few years back...

btw- i also think the article is bullshit, BUT- once they got the containers to thunder bay, they could be put on trains, and or container ships on the lakes...but it still doesn't make much sense...except that i think the idea is for goods to be going in both directions- hauling goods and natural resources south from canada. also- the article is mostly about the american section- it doesn't mention whta kind of infrastructure is being developed for the mexican portion- from the pacific ocean port to laredo...so maybe there are also plans for bigger roads and more rail lines in and out of thunder bay to throughout canada.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:29 PM
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30. Nothing I've heard
It's a nice area to look at, but there's nothing up there of substance short of the logging industry and small towns.


> so maybe there are also plans for bigger roads and more rail lines in and out of thunder bay to throughout canada.

Money's been a bit tight recently, other demands on the budget (namely every special interest group). While Thunder Bay is a transshipment point for goods coming from the west, why would we bother building a massive rail crossing up there for goods coming from the south when there are far better places to build it (e.g. Sault St. Marie, Sarnia, Windsor, Ft. Erie, etc)?

If you're going to bother bringing goods up that far, why not bring them through Michigan instead and save 750+ miles? Container ships could also do better by going up and through the St. Laurence seaway once they're through the canal, or take on cargo at any of the larger ports along the lower Great Lakes (Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Milwaukee, Chicago, Toledo, Rochester, etc)



This whole "superhighway to nowhere" plan is a big non-sequitur. For reference, you may just as well build a superhighway to Death Valley CA, Podunk AR, or Dot-on-a-Map ND. There's no sense to the proposal, and no political will expressed for anything corresponding up here.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:51 PM
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33. as i said, i don't really believe the article anyway-
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 01:56 PM by QuestionAll
you couldn't build a highway like that in secret, and once the general public got wind of it- it wouldn't be too popular...
BUT- if it were being built, it wouldn't necessarily mean that all the goods would be going from the port in mexico all the way thru to canada- there would be various exits and connections to other highways all along the way- it would be more like the "spine" for a whole system of roads/railines. and it would also be used to bring goods and especially natural resources from the north. and while there may not be much in thunder bay now, it is geographically fairly well-positioned to be a sort of "gateway to the west" of canada, like st. louis was in the u.s. during the westward expansion...and the whole project could also be something that's envisioned for the future day when global warming pushes populations and population centers northward.

like the name of the rock formation jutting out into lake superior, the whole area could be a "sleeping giant" of the not-too-distant future.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:35 AM
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15. The Trans Texas Corridor is a giant fiasco ready to happen....
Funding will come from Texas taxpayers & "private" investors. The result will be a toll system run by a Spanish company, including some former non-toll roads. Communities may be split & a HUGE amount of land will be seized with "eminent domain."

Gubernatorial candidates Chris Bell, Kinky Friedman & Carol Keeton Strayhorn have all come out against it. www.chrisbell.com/newsroom/032506_tolls

Corridor Watch has lots of info. These guys seem somewhat conservative--but, in this case, they want to conserve Texas. The Texas Republican Party--those Rightist of the Right Wing--joins the chorus of outrage. But the Sierra Club is not happy, either. MANY Texas think this is a bad idea. http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/index.htm


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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:40 AM
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16. this sounds like bullshit to me.
if it came to pass, every nutty militia in the country would be sending in snipers to shoot at mexican trucks.

and i don't imagine the teamsters being too enthused about the project either.

also- if the first customs stop is in kansas city- what's to stop trucks from "breaking down" somewhere along the way...?
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:41 AM
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17. There IS a plan in place to build 3 of these h-ways in Texas
It was in Texas Monthly a couple of years ago, a triangle of super-deluxe highways, hundreds of yards across, in a triangle from Houston to Autin to Dallas and back to Houston. I don't think it ever got off the ground, though there are still rumblings from that department every now and then (I don't live in Texas anymore, so my only source of info from there is Texas Monthly, and I let my subscription lapse). Maybe that's the kernel of truth that this story grew from?
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:18 PM
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20. I am from Texas, and this thing is very much alive!
I haven't heard of the three highway project, though. Municipalities all along the corridor are holding meetings about it. Emminent domain could wipe out whole communities.....mine included.

I would take fair market value for my place in a heartbeat (about $400,000), but to engulf the community I live in would take a billion dollars alone! They will most likely try to route the thing through the least populated areas to keep costs down. Since there will be no exits, towns have nothing to gain from it's passing through.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:13 PM
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29. If this in truth happens, you guys need to protest and by protest
do civil disobedience like the treehuggers do to stop logging. You have to stand in their way physically so the bulldozers can't get in.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:11 PM
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28. Well, that will keep the immigrants out, won't it?
:sarcasm:
First we build a huge wall to keep them out and then we build a super highway to make it easy for them to go around the wall and get in. Boy you gotta hand it to the conservatives for sheer stupidity.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:35 PM
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35. Thinking the same thing. What is to prevent the containers from being
loaded up with human cargo and then an unscheduled stop being made somewhere enroute?
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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:37 PM
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22. HAHAHAHA.... check this Freeper response:
To: BaBaStooey
I could really give a rat's arse why they come here. They are illegals who broke our laws by coming. Period. It's for the governments of the illegals to figure out why they came, and what to do with them when we send them back. You sound liberal with your wanting to figure things out. We have laws to make figuring some things out very easy!
53 posted on 06/12/2006 7:54:30 AM PDT by conservativecorner


"You sound liberal with your wanting to figure things out." !!!!! That is the line of the day.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:38 PM
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23. Hold on a minute...this would require approval from Congress
NO? Wouldn't an eye-opening amount of funding be required to implement this "plan"?

I have seen, heard one single word about it watching hearings, debates, etc. Not even a hint of it.

What is the reliability/credibility of the source? :shrug:
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mccoyn Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:59 PM
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24. It could be a toll road. -nt
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:35 PM
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31. It would still require funding upfront
or it wouldn't even have ground breaking, let alone the costs pre-construction for engineers, etc. :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:41 PM
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32. It would need states approval, too. Although it depends on the
governments in the states the toll road is to go through. Maybe they've picked a route with no inhabitants....
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:03 PM
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25. I guess this is like the German trains?
Wake up America.

Turn off the idiot box.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:05 PM
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26. Uh, I don't quite trust the source.
Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), and "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians." He is a frequent guest on the G. Gordon Liddy radio show. He will soon co-author a new book with Jim Gilchrist on the Minuteman Project.

This seemed a little too bizarre to me until I read his credits.

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:06 PM
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27. New World Order paranoia wrapped in new garb.
Ooh, they're after our sovereignty!

The Texas Transportation Corridor is real. There is a major battle royal being waged over it right now. I don't know about the rest of it.

A Canadian poster pointed out the ludicrousness of extending a superhighway to the middle of nowhere in Manitoba or far western Ontario.

And they mention the port of Lazaro Cardenas as the beginning of the line. But as far as I know, the only highway from there over the mountains is a slow, crappy, two-laner. It would be several hundred miles to either the toll road heading north to El Paso or to the one heading north to Laredo. If you're shipping goods to the US, it seems to me to make more sense to actually ship to say, Long Beach, and hop on the I-10 from there.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:52 PM
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34. unbelievable.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:38 PM
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36. As reported by Swiftboat Liar Jerome R. Corsi
If he wrote it, he's probably lying.
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