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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:47 PM
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Poll question: Would you support a North American Union? Similar to the EU
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 01:50 PM by Nimrod2005
Canada, Mexico, and the US...

Inspired by posts I saw earlier discussing the same topic.

One market, one currency, eventually one constitution, no borders, shared resources. The US can benefit from Mexico and Canada's natural resources, cheaper manufacturing costs...etc. Mexico and Canada benefit from the US enormous spending power...etc. Obviously, these are not all the reasons.

The EU has a population of 300 million, soon to add another 100 million...US/Canada/Mexico can have about the same population...

What do you think?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:48 PM
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1. Realize the discusion has been removed
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:50 PM
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4. I think it just an extra comma at the end ofthe link.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:49 PM
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2. Where did it go?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:49 PM
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3. We have one. It's called the United States of America.
Or didn't you notice?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:51 PM
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5. I am thinking more of the United States...nt
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:52 PM
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6. Eh, I just don't see the reason...
The EU came together primarily to act as an economic power that could match with China, Japan and the United States. Given that we already have said economic power, why bother with Canada and Mexico? Treaties like NAFTA already give us the benefit of their cheaper labor (of course, we can discuss the many pitfalls of NAFTA, but that's another thread), so why bother binding our country to theirs? There doesn't seem to be any benefit.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:54 PM
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9. ahh, the "God Bless America, and NO WHERE else" crowd shows up
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:56 PM
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10. Do you think people know that Mexcio and Canada are in America too?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:56 PM
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12. Come again?
All I'm doing is pointing out that such an arrangement wouldn't benefit this country, and mutual benefit is, generally, the reason for such economic arrangements. Ad nauseum attacks don't change the validity of my argument.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:58 PM
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13. I understand
You made a good point...
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:52 PM
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7. you forgot Central America
In or out?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:53 PM
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8. They can join later on ...lol
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:56 PM
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11. as long as the states join as separate sovereigns
Then it would be quite interesting, as the different states could legislate different
societies and compete in good government.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:04 PM
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19. Can we leave out Texas?
It's my fondest wish.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:06 PM
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21. I had hoped we can sell it to El Salvador after the merger...lol....
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:48 PM
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29. ditto for Florida!
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:16 PM
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34. Actually, It would be fun to go to war with red Florida, conquer it and
own it again...Nice beaches and very good looking people here.

:rofl:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:25 PM
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35. our own United States
were supposed to have more sovereignty but the federal government, insurance companies and homogenized national chains like McDonalds and Wal-mart have made one state pretty much like the next. Sometimes that is a good thing, especially with the internet helping to keep backwaters from being forced to be backwards, but it unfortunate in many ways too.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:16 PM
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39. The civil war and the supreme court
The corporations had less to do with it than an aggressively federalist supreme court that has
overridden the very principals of states rights repeatedly; yes, legislating often corporate
matters indeed! When the states have the flexibility to legislate their own drugs laws, their
own laws about medical care, their own laws about so many things, then democracy can actually
respond to its constituents. With a federal this large, there is no constituent except a
fuzzy database profile.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:00 PM
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14. Only if we use Canada as a model for most of our politics and policies
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:03 PM
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16. I am sure of that good stuff would be adopted...nt
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:01 PM
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15. I voted no, because that would signal the end of Canada' s Public
Health Care program for Everyone, and the public funds for that program would be wasted on the Military Industrial Complex's CEOs retirement "packages" so no, thanks.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:04 PM
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18. ok
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:19 PM
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25. :) Actually, I could vote Yes to Canada joining in with the EU...
instead. I'd prefer EU "citizenship" if we had to choose... :)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:24 PM
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26. Yup.. no way.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:03 PM
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17. Never. There may come a day when there is a common currency. But
that is as close to the US economy that Canada should ever get. We have a fairer country. Better programs. And we respect and instill education and knowledge about the world in our kids.. instead of that bullshit the right as been stuffing down your throats.

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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:05 PM
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20. See # 15...
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:07 PM
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22. I voted yes, but it is conditional on BFEE (the entire lot of them)
being put on trial at the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Otherwise, I vote 'No.'
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:08 PM
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23. There should be two:
The U.S. and Canada could unite under the Canadian system. I would not want to drag Canada down to our level, thank you!

Mexico and the Central American countries could unite and help one another grow economically by specializing in different areas of endeavor.

Uniting English/French North America with Spanish North America would lead to a tidal wave of jobs headed south and an eventual lowering of all living standards to Central American levels.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:16 PM
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24. But I *like* only sorta living in a satellite state! (n/t)
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:32 PM
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27. If the progressive part of the U.S. joined Canada I'd be fine with that
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 02:36 PM by TheGoldenRule
But I'm not fine with "Amero" or whatever the hell Bushwad aka "THE EXPLOITER" wants to call this crap. No doubt his plan is to rape and pillage both Canada and Mexico. Canada for it's natural resources and Mexico for it's abundance of cheap labor.

Meanwhile, the middle class would disappear. The constitution and all it's protections? Forgetaboutit! Health care (canada), unions, free speech, social security etc-all history.

This will be the final nail in the coffin for most of us. :grr:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:38 PM
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28. Sure. But the Canadians are too smart/sane to join the asylum.
And, it would be nice to vote for a party that actually stands for something like the NDP or PRD.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:51 PM
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30. I'd like to see a disunion.
It's about time people took back control of their lives and destiny. The Founding of the US was merely the first step.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:54 PM
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31. Ummm...no thank you...nt
Sid
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ABaker Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:55 PM
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32. I say yes if
it is set up to benefit the earth as a whole.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:47 PM
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37. Ummmm, I think maybe you've got that backwards...
Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Apr-06 Mar-06 YTD 2006 Apr-05 Jan - Apr 2005

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CANADA 1,710 1,716 1,726 1,676 1,551
MEXICO 1,601 1,697 1,692 1,541 1,510
SAUDI ARABIA 1,582 1,322 1,413 1,449 1,533
VENEZUELA 1,171 1,183 1,190 1,391 1,352
NIGERIA 1,022 1,114 1,149 1,130 1,030

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Sid
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:05 PM
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38. Bush or somebody else would just send troops to seize Canadian oil
Then you'll have a reverse of the movie "Red Dawn." Instead of fighting foreign Russian troops on US soil, you'll be fighting foreign American troops on Canadian soil.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:37 PM
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36. The French rejected the EU Constitution for a damn good reason
The Constitution was several hundred pages long, and there was criticism coming from all over the left that it was attempting to enshrine neoliberal economic dogma into law.
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