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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:06 PM
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Who is John Edwards and why is he considered Democratic front-runner?
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 04:07 PM by Jeffersons Ghost
CNN just announced that in a recent Iowa poll, Edwards has eclipsed Hillary Clinton as Democratic front-runner. I bet she's glad to dodge a little heat, even if it includes losing the limelight for a while.



Before entering politics, Edwards was a successful personal injury trial attorney. He represented families and children that had allegedly been wrongly injured by negligent corporations and government entities, or by medical malpractice.

Edwards is widely regarded as a potential candidate for the 2008 U.S. presidential election; his concession speech at the close of the 2004 race hinted at his continued presidential ambitions: "You can be disappointed, but you cannot walk away. This fight has just begun."

During the following months, Edwards was courted by a number of organizations; he told interviewer Larry King that he doubted he would return to his occupation as a trial lawyer and showed no interest in the possibility of becoming the Democratic National Committee chairman, a post sought by fellow nomination contender Howard Dean. He finally chose to accept an offer from his alma mater, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, of a part-time faculty position as director of a new Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity at the university.

The Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill was established because millions of hard-working Americans still find themselves living in poverty. Poverty is one of the great issues of our time. It cuts to the heart of America's great promise: that anyone who works hard and plays by the rules will have the opportunity to build a better life for themselves and their family. I can't think of a better group of people to work on solving this problem than the remarkable students and faculty here at UNC-Chapel Hill.

The Center brings the best minds in the country together with some of America's best and brightest young people. We do not pretend to have all the answers, but we will ask the hard questions:

How can we restore the promise of America for those living in poverty?
How can we combat poverty in a way that also honors our core beliefs in hard work, responsibility and family?
How can we find ways to build more homes and fewer shelters, more small businesses and fewer minimum wage jobs?
How can we find a way for government and charities and religious groups to work as more effective partners and honor America's traditions?

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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:08 PM
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1. Once again emphatically proving how stupid Iowa caucuses are. nt
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:11 PM
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9. Agreed. They need to change the way candidates are chosen...
that is why we will have weak loser as the candidate. I agree with a lot he has to say but he is not the one
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:16 PM
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19. Caucuses allow groupthink to contaminate the selection process.
It's a stupid method that should be standardized out of existence, along with the fact that the primaries aren't all on the same date. By the time Florida's primary came around, Kerry was already all but nominated.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:20 PM
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27. Discussion encourages informed choices.
That's a good thing. It takes power away from the astroturf campaigns that make the debate about 60 second TV commercials and biased media coverage.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #27
58. I agree. It's decision making away from
the talking heads. Real people make real decisions with real information.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
81. Sorry, I just can't agree. Caucuses resemble high school
popularity contests (with lots of bullying and "fixing") and there is rarely any informed discussion taking place.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 11:59 AM
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151. That describes every caucus I've seen. nt
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #151
155. How many have you seen? n/t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:15 PM
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65. Same thing with California
California BELONGED to Dean -- then came Iowa, the DLC dirty tricks and the Bush-bot MSM. We were basically forced to vote for Kerry (not me) when Kerry didn't even have anything resembling grass roots support here (lots and lots and lots of fundraisers though -- $2,000 a plate).
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:58 PM
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77. Kerry was surprisingly low in the poll n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #77
149. I support Kerry and this doesn't worry me.
Edward's has made many trips to Iowa this year and he is a more familiar face Right now than Kerry. Kerry has plenty of time to move ahead if he runs. Frankly, even as VP, Edward's was never an enthusiastic choice of mine- he stuck me as not being very genuine.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 09:56 AM
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150. you're right to say "if he runs" about Kerry. I'm a major Kerry fan...
but he might not run at all. Even if he decides to run, at least he's focused on the right thing today: NOVEMBER!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #65
96. Baloney. No state belonged to anyone .
I am so tired of this crap. Give it up .Kerry won the primary fair and square. And now more than ever it appears he won the election. I just can't believe somer are STILL fighting the 2004 primary elections. It is 2006 !
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
83. How does a small group of people
who live in Iowa dictate group-think to the rest of America??
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
57. You're right...
Because of the way IOWA chooses IOWA's candidate, the whole US has to fall in line...you're right.

Talk about groupthink.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. LOL. Thank you Florida for weighing in on stupid state political
processes.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. There's a difference between corruption and stupid process.
Thanks for the region-bash, though.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #24
42. Thanks for starting it. I don't know where you get the corruption crap
though. It isn't corrupt.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Corruption in Florida, bad process in Iowa. nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Ah, I gotcha.
:-)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
23. Why? Because they don't like your candidate?
That's hardly a good reason.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:20 PM
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26. Right, I've long said the grueling process of choosing a nominee
needs to be junked completely, and the primary season reduced to four months in four regions, order of campaign to be rotated every four years so that no one area of the country can dominate the process like New Hampshire and Iowa like to pretend they do.

However, I'm a little surprised that Edwards has done so well, surprised and gratified. I think people are just a little sick of yuppie elitists and will go for someone who has a chance of remembering what it's like to have a job instead of a high powered career.
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rsdsharp Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:22 PM
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28. The poll wasn't the result of a caucus.
As such, I don't see how it can prove or disprove anything about the process.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
56. Only this was a poll, not a caucus...
at least something was emphatically shown to be stupid, right?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. It was a poll according to CNN and they raved on how creadible...
the source was but I'm sorry I can't recall the newspaper they mentioned.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #60
66. It was a poll from the Des Moines register...
which was my point as well...it was a poll, not a caucus, the way the poster above made it seem.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
62. Anyone running for president needs to
avoid the Iowa caucuses like the plague.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #62
71. Ah. President Clark's strategy.
:sarcasm:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. Non sequitur
Clark was never a real presidential candidate. He was merely a DLC tool. Try again.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #76
97. I've got your tool......right here in my pocket.....
Now, please provide the proof to this accusation that you are making against Wes Clark, and hurry up...cause I'm waitin'!

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #97
106. I heard him in Ft Worth this weekend
Sounds like he's running again.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #106
112. Kewl! Heard that Clark speech was really good.
what did you think of it?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #112
132. It was okay
But he's no David Van Os.

Clark at TDP

Van Os at TDP
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. Well I watched it.......and I thought that Clark was superb!
Van Os was totally excellent as well, but his was a "Throw them red meat speech" from a Texan to Texans. Van Os was powerful, and used colorful language and got the crowd roused, no doubt about it! But his speech was 6 minutes long....Clark's was approx 35 minutes, and touched on issues ranging from the 9/11 to the Sciences to health care in a much more detailed and intellectual manner! That's my take anyways!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #76
142. Considering Clark's not a member of the DLC, you're premise
is lacking...

considerably.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:08 PM
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2. He was my guy in 2004 and still is....
Go John!!!!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:09 PM
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4. Ditto! n/t
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:14 PM
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15. I really like the way he sounds in research I did today
before today I knew very little about the guy but I'm up on Hillary who still hasn't taken a strong anti-war position, nor has she condemned the USA Patriot Act. The Bill of Rights and war are the biggest issues with me.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:31 PM
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41. Same hear Little Star. n/t
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
85. I'll vote for Edwards anywhere, anytime.
I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton and I will NEVER AGAIN vote for John Kerry.
Like Lewis Black said in his new special "Red White and Screwed" voting between Kerry & Bush was like
choosing between 2 piles of shit.

I worked my ass off for that campaign & I can tell you I did it not for Kerry, but for Edwards.
I adore him.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #85
137. So you wouldn't vote for Kerry or Hillary if they were the nominee?
I like Edwards too and I'm leaning towards him for '08, but I find intra-Democratic cynicism to be a major problem as well. I'm not saying this is your issue with Hillary and Kerry, but I find that too many Democrats let themselves be dissuaded by media coverage and by the perceptions of pundits. There are legitimate reasons to dislike Kerry and especially Hillary, but it urks me when people say that voting between Kerry and Bush was like choosing between "2 piles of shit". Democrats ALWAYS do this. We often run perfectly good, competent people for office and then criticize the hell out of them. It wasn't just Kerry - people did the same thing to Gore in 2000 and afterward (still, Al Gore's favorability rating is quite low in polls) and even to Clinton during his presidency. Certainly we shouldn't be like the other guys and go for people with no substance and we shouldn't be lockstep - criticism is good and healthy but that contrarianism and cynicism becomes too pervasive it hurts our ability to communicate our case. Why should anybody else like Democrats if Democrats themselves don't like each other?

Kerry would have been a FAR better President than Bush and while he made plenty of mistakes he was right on many, many issues. Although his refusal to take back his Iraq War vote was a mistake, he clearly stated that the war was a mistake several times, made credible suggestions on how to change the course of the war in Iraq, proposed a viable health care plan that was politically feasible AND innovative, had an innovative policy proposal on teacher tenure that was ignored by the media, was firm about cutting the deficit and restoring a balanced budget and also proposed raising the minimum wage, ending corporate tax loopholes, repealing the upper end of the Bush tax cuts, and seriously tackling global warming and environmental degradation.

What's there to disagree about in there?
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
87. Ditto!
Yeah, what gives with the Edwards bashing around here? Edwards wouldn't bash anyone here. He's a REAL uniter. IMHO he's EXACTLY what America needs right now. Grab Boxer or Feingold to run with him, and we've got ourselves the perfect ticket. I sure hope he'll run. Republicans are scared of him because Republicans and Indies will vote for him.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #87
143. Because he has no leadership or foreign policy or diplomacy
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 10:47 PM by Clark2008
experience. I mean, being a personal injury attorney doesn't give one the background to deal with such heddy problems as Iraq, Iran, the economy, etc.

It's not a bash, per se. It's just that he has little to no experience in the necessary issues needed to be a president (yes, like Bush - but without the evil. Edwards isn't evil - just self-promoting).

Poverty's important and should be addressed, but it's not the only issue and won't even be THE main issue in 2008.

That's why.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:09 PM
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3. In that picture, he looks alot like Tom Cruise.
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 04:10 PM by blm
Edwards has been spending a good deal of time in Iowa, so any extra support he gets at this point is likely deserved. I do wish he'd join with others to expose machine fraud, because no other issue matters when you can't collect all your votes.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:15 PM
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18. this guy could go in with a landslide and diebold won't save the crooks
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. uh - that's not how it works - the more people voting for you, the more
votes that get flipped to the GOP.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #25
37. aside from spreading the word, what can you or I do about diebold?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Stay on top of big name Dems to pay attention to it.
And the media, too.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
144. Uh - no. He was jeopardy of losing his seat in the senate
had he run again, so I hardly think landslide.

Just saying...

(Not that your point about Diebold wasn't valid).
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #3
136. John Ritter
that's who he always looks like to me.
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:09 PM
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5. It's just been the Media
who has put Hillary in the front spot.
She hasn't accomplished anything to deserve it. She doesn't hold to many
of the basic democratic ideals.
They keep spitting out her name hoping it'll stick, and to some degree it has.
Will the dems actually get to pick the candidate they want?
I think not!
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #5
67. And it's the same GOP-led media
who is shoving Edwards down our throats. I don't know if you guys have noticed or not but the progressives have left the building and you can't win without us.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
134. She's done one thing: Billy and Hilly have really raised the cash
If Bill puts on a fund-raiser it's worth at least a half and usually a full million bucks.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:10 PM
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6. Edwards was invisible in the 04 campaign.
However I liked his populist two americas message when he was able to articulate it in the primaries. If he can gear a real campaign up, and figure out where he really stands on neocon/neoliberal corporatist bullshit, I could easily support him.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:13 PM
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14. I don't recall him being invisible
inevitably most of the coverage the media gives candidates is to the two presidential candidates--I don't recall Cheney getting alot of media attention either. But Edwards campaigned hard for the ticket and from what I recall reading he did get good crowds. He held his own, and in my opinion, beat Cheney in their one debate.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #14
55. Don't forget that Elizabeth Edwards was out there campaigning
hard too along with their daughter. The entire family was on the trail with the two little ones riding on the bus. Edwards and his family were honest people and they meant every word they were saying. That says a lot.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
89. The entire Edwards clan is amazing
During the campaign I had opportunities to listen to John,Elizabeth & Cate. They all touched my heart.
I read Johns book, "Four Trials"- VERY interesting.
The way John speaks really resonates with me. I also felt the entire time that I would
have preferred to have Elizabeth Edwards as first lady as opposed to Teresa Heinz Kerry.
I believe in the Edwards vision- he's a real person and that touches me.
The last time I saw him was about 30 days before the election- he was still wearing a Sears suit.
Still shaking every hand he could- still talking about how wrong the war was... and he wasn't mincing words.


I find John Edwards fascinating-much like how I feel about Bill Clinton.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
16. I saw him give a great speech in Johnstown, PA
in Sept. of 2004. The place was packed. John Murtha spoke also.

I loved it. :)
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
29. Invisible as in no media presence.
I am sure he gave lots of great real world speeches. Unfortunately it is the other world - what is on your tube and perhaps by 08 what is on your pc - that matters far more than how well you give a real world stump speech.

I am also not really criticising Edwards for being invisible - the VP generally is. The only point I am making is that he has yet to be his own man in a major national campaign. The Democratic primary was a good test, but I still don't know what I'd be getting with an Edwards presidential candidacy. This is also true, even more so, with some of the other non-Hillary choices - Clarke, Feingold etc. Clark ran a pretty awful primary campaign, hopefully he has learned how to do better, and Russ is just a big unknown. Hillary is equally untested by the way.

I'd love it if Gore ran. He has the full experience including getting blindsided by outright fraud in the endgame. He has also gone through a personal epiphany and rejected the whole neocon/lib pnacer bullshit. I know where he stands, and I know who I'd be getting in the big show.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
50. It did seem sometimes like the campaign gave him some of the
lighter weight media ops. IMHO, the activitism he has taken up since the election has made him seem more serious.

Edwards really got my admiration when he took the college kids to New Orleans to rebuild homes over spring break. He also has been advocating quite admirably for worker's rights and raising the minimum wage.

It's nice to know that we are going to have some really viable choices in 2008. :)
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #16
70. Was there too and agree with you, not to mention Franco Harris;
this is a red state guy that talks red state language.... It's too early to get your nickers in a bind, but Edwards/ Warner has a ring to it!
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #70
109. That does have a nice ring to it!
And I agree--Franco was fantastic at that rally. :)

We drove an hour and a half each way to Johnstown that Sunday and waited outside for another hour and a half. It was sooo worth it. I was lucky enough to speak to Edwards and shake his hand. The guy genuinely seems to care about the average American.

There were lots of unions at that event.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. Lucky!
I keep hoping I'll get to meet Edwards. He's the one who inspired me to get active and involved. I'd love to thank him someday. Meeting Bill Clinton was fun though. :)
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #109
122. not to go on for too long , but;
I remember that girl in her late 20's across the street with her signs screaming like a Harpie that Kerry was a traitor. I asked the guy next to me, who was also a Vietnam vet, " What the hell did she ever do for her country?" He shook his head and said "Not a damn thing" Weird how people who faced the bullets become cowards, and those who wouldn't go became the heros.....never did figure that one out!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:23 PM
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30. That was a big mistake.
Kerry and the DNC didn't use Edwards effectively. They had him doing small fundraising trips in blue states a month before the election. He also had to scrap his populist themes and try not to outshine Kerry. If Edwards had been used more effectively (or been at the top of the ticket) it could have made the difference.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:10 PM
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7. Personally, I think he's a lightweight compared to some others
I like him as a person, I think he has charisma, but I don't think he makes a strong presidential candidate. I like Gore, Clark, Feingold and probably Kerry way more. I even think Hillary is a lot stronger, but I still don't think she can win the general election.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:26 PM
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35. When I read the statements he has been making
for the last two years, lightweight is the last thing that comes to mind. The elections of Bush II, Reagan and Carter show how little the public is worried about extensive experience. I don't think it matters for much in terms of electability compared to things like having conviction and a clear, compelling message.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:27 PM
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36. Yes, still a little light
I like him too, very much, but watching him get eaten alive by Cheney in
those last debates is all to much a reminder of light.vs.heavy. (also light.vs.darkness)

I don't know Feingold, but the others you mention all mark on my list with enough
gravitas as well..

That said, here's to winning the house and the senate this year and not
getting caught up ahead of ourselves.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:19 PM
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68. I think he's the only one likely to match Kerry in his commitment
to the American people at every level. Right from the people sleeping on the streets, to the large majority of the remaining Americans, who are bearing the scandalously inordinate tax burden, to Forbes 500 types, who have never understood where their best interests lay, any more than those of the country.

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:29 PM
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90. I don't doubt his commitment at all
I also think Gore and Feingold, as well as Clark, are just as committed as Edwards and Kerry.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:52 PM
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145. Hugs, sister!
:hug:

I sometimes come across as hating Edwards, but I don't. I just don't think he's got the experience or the weight to be a presidential nominess with any hope of winning. I have never seen this "charisma" thing, either. I think it was media-made. I mean, I'm sure he's a nice guy and some people find him cute (not I), but that's not what we need to steam-roll over Diebold and the Republican machine.

LOVE your choices, though! :loveya:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:11 PM
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8. If Gore doesn't run, I think Edwards should take a shot
He talked about the "two Americas," one for the poor and one for the rich. He should make a platform to wage a new "war on poverty."
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:13 PM
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13. yeah I agree but...
what about other issues and does he have any info about discussing the war indepth because that will be the main talking points along with poverty,healthcare,immigration and jobs
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:25 PM
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33. War is automatically on the table, but other issues are often neglected
I think the Democratic Party is rapidly reaching the consensus that we can no longer sustain the occupation of Iraq.

A war on poverty isn't sincere if the poorest are still dying on distant battlefields for the sake of the rich and their business interests.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:57 PM
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59. Gore/Edwards?
just sayin
:shrug:
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:30 PM
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91. Thats my DREAM ticket
I've already told my boss if that happens I am taking a sabbatical & will work exclusively on that campaign.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:34 PM
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95. I could get behind that one if Gore runs and can't get
Feingold, Clark or Boxer. I'm sure Kerry would never take the #2 spot.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 12:00 AM
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148. Oh, don't be to sure! n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
64. Sounds good to me
I like Gore first, but Edwards has been working hard on poverty
solutions.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
80. I don't think Gore will run. He's a great man and people will be sorry...
they didn't listen to him on Global Warming, in the not to distant future.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:11 PM
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10. Edwards would be an interesting choice in '08
he has an issue--poverty--which is a good one and while he was a US Senator he only served one term so he isn't tainted by Washington. He has a great wife who is a real asset and a fine family. He apparently has no skeletons in the closet. He is still relatively young and attractive. Downside is if the American people think he has enough experience. I think he does.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. what does attractiveness got to do with it... except
Clark 2008!!!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:17 PM
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20. well I gave several points one of which was attractiveness
Clark's good looking too, and I hate to say it, but in our culture looks do help as does charisma.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:13 PM
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11. Apparently he charmed the Bilderberg Group....
speculation among CT'ers that is why Kerry chose him.

For me, it was a tough choice between him and Clark during the 2004 primaries. I like alot of what he says, he's quite a populist when he speaks really. And I think he's got a "Clintonesque" personality that makes people like him.


http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040606-103603-4126r.htm
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:13 PM
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12. I like John Edwards
He's a great speaker and his heart is in the right place. I think he's got a better chance and a better message than any of the others.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:18 PM
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22. he's also considered a "DC outsider" which to me is his best trait
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:24 PM
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31. I really think Gore is the guy - but -
Edwards would be fine with me.

Pretty much if they have a D after their name, they got my vote.

There is one thing about Edwards I really respect - I remember after that Painful day in November of 04 - when Kerry was conceding, that the word was Edwards wanted to fight it out - my memory of that debacle. SO, maybe he is a fighter.

Edwards would be a fine choice. I do think he understands really well that our country is a blue collar middle class country and without a real middle class we sink to the bottom of history.

Joe

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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:24 PM
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32. EDWARDS / CLARK 08!!!! THE RIGHT CHOICE
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:30 PM
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40. I think it right or so close to being right.
I personally want the General as SOD - cause I think we REALLY need him there, I really do - it is so f*cked up now.

But you are right on.

Joe
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:25 PM
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34. well he sure did stay on message during the primary
the war is good, the economy is bad.

I could get behind him, as soon as the draft Gore effort dies.

I think that he would make a great running mate for Gore.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:29 PM
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38. Is there some way to filter all threads that have *Edwards* in the topic?
Please Lord, let there be a way!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:29 PM
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39. Did CNN really say that? Bad news for Edwards.
This is much too early to be declared the frontrunner.

Then again, at this point in '02 Kerry was considered the frontrunner before Dean was given the title.
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PeaceProgProsp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:38 PM
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46. I noticed that ABC reported this on the scroll this morning --
"Edwards leads '08 presidential poll...Campaining in Iowa today..."

I thought that that was their strategy to bury him. Everyone knows that if you're at the top today, you'll be last on primary day because there's no way to maintain high expectations for that long and any slip will kill your chances.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:35 PM
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43. I voted for him twice in 2004...
I'd vote for him again.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:35 PM
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45. LOL - And CNN is always right -
Too early to speak about a frontrunner, whoever it is. Edwards is a serious contender, no doubt about that.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:46 PM
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48. I agree. It is going to be a great crop of Democrats from whom to choose:
Feingold, Edwards, Clark and hopefully Gore. By the way, I heard that Sen. Clinton may be running, but I'm not sure for which party.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:49 PM
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53. Gore is no liar and said he's not running, His focus is on Global Warming
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:49 PM
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51. only thing i can think of is he's cute
but no gravitas, seems a bit of an opportunist.....in other words he hasn't paid his dues.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:15 PM
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82. Disagree. He is as sincere as they come. And his wife Elizabeth is
also the Real Deal. I just love her! But I agree on one thing; he is majorly hunky.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:28 PM
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88. Except for the 'cute' part, that sounds like Bush
eom
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
92. Rest assured, John has paid his dues
Do a little more research on his life, his experiences, and his accomplishments.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:57 PM
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123. Completely agree
A one term Senator who can't carry his own state and who's talk (and voted) out of both sides of his mouth. Voted for the bankruptcy bill first time around (even though his wife's a bankruptcy attorney). He now admits that was a "mistake." Among others.

Goes to work for a major Wall Street firm, Fortress Investment Group

"Fortress manages approximately $10 billion in private equity capital on behalf of leading institutional investors and high net worth individuals. The private equity funds primarily make control-oriented investments in cash flowing businesses and asset portfolios in the United States and Western Europe."

http://www.fortressinv.com/site_content.aspx?p=12

THEN, he promptly turns around and goes on a national tour promoting his "two America's" deal!

WTF was that?

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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:49 PM
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52. Edwards has my vote
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 04:49 PM by Digit
Seriously, I believe he is the one person who could win in '08.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:50 PM
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54. After Gore and Feingold
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 04:51 PM by rniel
I think he'd be a pretty good choice.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:10 PM
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61. I guess he has been out there stomping in front of the people, not just
the press.
He has a good message, and by '08 could be a viable candidate.
I think he got screwed in '04. It was rumored he wanted to stay and fight when Kerry capitulated.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:13 PM
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63. A former DCLer that attended a Bilderberg meeting
is what the left needs as a candidate?

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #63
139. my thoughts too...
is the only reason that he's not considered/listed as a dlc'er now mostly attributable to not currently holding public office?

until/unless he renounces it- i'll always consider him a member.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:20 PM
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69. Front runner! Hot damn! He would have won 2004! He's a real Dem!
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 05:27 PM by McCamy Taylor
I've been behind Edwards since 2002. He is the only sure fire winner the Dems have. I think that Rove jacked the Dem primaries in 2004 so that Edwards would not get the nomination, and I think they will try to do it again in 2008, because if he is nominated

HE WILL WIN!

Edwards is strong, strong, strong on domestic issues that people care about like health care, jobs, the economy, big business vs the little guy (which includes the fixed price of oil under its umbrella), he is southerner so he knows all about voter disenfranchisement and is not afraid to tackle the problem, he can pull in southern states which are angry at W. for his crappy domestic and foreign policies. I think Ewards could do particularly well in the Gulf states which have been screwed during the second reconstruction. He has been out of the Senate long enough that he is no longer a "Senator". He has one VP run under his belt, so he has been national. The base---lawyers, unions, women--will love him to death.

I wish both Clinton and Gore would get behind him, and let Hillary continue being a Senator which she does well.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. From your lips to their ears! n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #69
105. I wonder why he didn't run in 2004....hmmmm....
Oh wait...he did...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:35 PM
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72. Edwards? Edwards who?
"CNN just announced that in a recent Iowa poll, Edwards has eclipsed Hillary Clinton as Democratic front-runner. I bet she's glad to dodge a little heat, even if it includes losing the limelight for a while."

That's riot! You should write for The Daily Show.
Is there any evidence Hillary knows who this almost-was even is?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:40 PM
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74. yeah you're right... Hillary has never heard of him, just like you...
don't forget to ask scotty to beam you up now that you're through with the little rant.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. Thin skinned, ain'tcha?
We all know who he is, little one. He was the first veep candidate ever to disappear *before* the election.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:34 PM
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94. If I was "thin-skinned" I wouldn't have lasted this long at DU. BTW...
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 06:35 PM by Jeffersons Ghost
good luck to you newby!

on edit: how do you speak for so many being so new here? "we all know" lol
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:37 PM
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73. John Edwards would make a fine President.
So many possibilities!

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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 05:46 PM
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75. I like Edwards
...but have some reservations....

first of all, although he has apologized, he was really pushing for the war in Iraq and we have wasted so much money there...that could have been helping the poor at home.

Also, I remember he canceled a speaking engagement at the 'take back america' conference during the election season to attend the bilderberger meeting. Hopefully he didn't really bond with them though.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:16 PM
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84. Edwards was my choice
last election.. I like Feingold as well.. It is going to be a tough race with all these good candidates....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:21 PM
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86. Who is John Edwards?
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 06:34 PM by FrenchieCat
A man who co-sponsored the IWR Blank check that Lieberman sponsored.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Iraq_War_Resolution
S.J.RES.46 was sponsored by Joe Lieberman (D), with 16 cosponsors: Sen Allard, Wayne - 10/2/2002 Sen Baucus, Max - 10/7/2002 Sen Bayh, Evan - 10/2/2002 Sen Breaux, John B. - 10/9/2002 Sen Bunning, Jim - 10/4/2002 Sen Domenici, Pete V. - 10/2/2002 Sen Edwards, John - 10/3/2002 Sen Helms, Jesse - 10/2/2002 Sen Hutchinson, Tim - 10/2/2002 Sen Johnson, Tim - 10/7/2002 Sen Landrieu, Mary L. - 10/2/2002 Sen McCain, John - 10/2/2002 Sen McConnell, Mitch - 10/2/2002 Sen Miller, Zell - 10/2/2002 Sen Thurmond, Strom - 10/10/2002 Sen Warner, John - 10/2/2002

(find another Dino on that list that you would vote for as President. I dare ya!)


A War that has cost America 1/2 trillion.

A Vote that at the time he voted for it, he stated that America should go in for "Geopolitical" reasons.
http://www.usembassy.it/file2002_09/alia/a2091910.htm

A Vote that he didn't apologize for until more than 3 years after he voted for it....after the polls turned against the war and he and John Kerry were no longer bidding for the White House. In his apology, he stated that he had been "Misled"......and so, it took him 3 years to get un-misled, I guess. A vote that all other Democrats sitting on in the same intelligence committee voted against.

Our foreign policy affect our domestic policies directly. John Edwards' Poverty Center must be helping those that his participation on our foreign policy made even poorer through the budget cuts required for us to pay for this war.

John Edwards didn't understand principle while in the senate then....and so, I don't put much stock that he'll do what's right in the White House to clean up the shit that's piling up.

I don't care if he's got 3 thumbs up, that he's cute and young looking, that his wife is nice, that his children are adorable, and that his father was a Mill Worker and that he's got a really, really good memorized speech.

To be honest with you, I'm not even sure how he helped Kerry being on the ticket.....but his defenders will say that he had to be at the top of the ticket for his "charm" to work. Further, his "new" speech (after being touted as being able to talk owls out of their tree by the msm) at the Democratic convention was stale and totally non-inpiring.

His populist routine is effective, and I'm sure that's all that most will ever remember, since many don't even know how much John Edwards supported this war and why.

I'm sorry, but I can't reward someone with such poor judgement on War and Peace with the Presidency; the most important decision that a President has to make.

But I do find it ironic how his "apology" made everything honkey dorey again.
The guy has a great PR team....and he has been to Iowa 8 times this year...

With John Edwards as our nominee, we will be repeating the same mistake we made in 2004; having a nominee who didn't have the presence of mind to stand up for what was right when it counted. With Foreign policy and National Security the only topic of news 24/7 in 5 years (and the WH being able to manipulate that issue the most easily), John Edwards will just lose it for us again.

PS. Sorry if I'm not being "politically correct" and won't jump on this Iowa bandwagon. My BS meter is set really high even if John Edwards is good at pulling the wool over some eyes. My choices include a long list before I get to John Edwards. Clark, Gore, Fiengold, Kerry, Warner, and even Hillary (cause at least she's up front about her calculations).

I'll be waiting for the Edwards calvary to come to the rescue. No problem!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:03 PM
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99. when and if he wins the nomination, who will you vote for, McCain? w/ pic
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:00 PM
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124. Most likely more of the uninformed than will vote for John Edwards.....
It doesn't matter who my one little measly vote goes to (which would be for the Democratic nominee)....but what does matter is who comes out on top with the majority of voters, cause that's who wins the prize. And this won't be a primary...so it won't be just Democratic voters who will be voting. That snake photo ain't gonna mean jack shit, when it comes right down to comparing McCain to Edwards.

Know this opinion of mine: I don't think that North Carolina cute guy Edwards can beat Arizona tough guy McCain for one milliminute. All "they" (those who control the WH at the time of the election and their Corporate media minions) have to do is have an "attempted" "terrarist" attack at a small airport in Virginia 3 days before the vote.....and there yo go; Bu-Buy John Edwards AND the Democratic party for 2008! (it's really not a far stretch....my scenario. Just think Osama Tape on 10/31/04, and it will come back to you. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0A1EFB3A590C728FDDA90994DC404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fB%2fBin%20Laden%2c%20Osama )

Doesn't take a genius to figure that out....just someone who's fucking tired of losing with these candidates picked for Lord knows what reason and keeping your fingers crossed! I want a real strategy and some "Kick their ass on their turf" action in 2008! Not the "He's cute and optimistic"....cause that ain't gonna quite "get it", imo.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:33 PM
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93. He was a disaster in the 2004 VP Debate and co-sponsored the IWR.
He is not the man to lead us to victory in 2008.

Aside from being physically attractive on the surface, he's a crap candidate.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #93
107. Oh he might be - and we don't have enough leaders
to just write him off.

I lived in LA, but I grew up in West PA -

Something is happening here - some kind of cultural shift.

This country was founded in a philosophy that work mattered and that an "average" person could make an "average" living in the working class. It is not true anymore.

Shit, at least he talks about it.

And I do think he may be a fighter - maybe more so than Kerry.

Maybe "we can't spare him, he fights".

Maybe,

Joe



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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #93
108. What are you talking about
He walloped snarley in that debate. Crap candidate? Lots of crap candidates. Edwards isn't one of them.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #108
115. Edwards got fucking paved over...
by Dick "Fuck off!" Cheney who was lying but aggressive.

If he couldn't even defeat a liar, how do we expect him to lead a party and a nation?

Plus, remember in his convention speech when he reached that line and looked into the cameras while saying "We will destroy you", it was damn near comical. He just can't pull off that kind of posturing.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #115
118. Wow.
Just wow.
Actually not just wow. If you go on about dems like this, I'd LOVE to put you up against a republican. You should lead up a republican attack team. You'd be great!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #118
127. He's just calling it like he (and I) saw it-
It was a pretty sorry performance- ESPECIALLY considering that the man's a trial lawyer!

I just had to shake my head on that one- though I'll say he did better than Lieberman and made a few good points.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #115
138. OK, this is a fellow DEM you're trying to tear apart.
No infighting! Go to your room until you cool down!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #108
135. I totally agree - he was awesome.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:49 PM
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98. For the Record, Edwards was played way down during the election
Because Kerry's campaign adviser Mary Beth Cahill advised him to do so. This was because Edwards had a more vibrant personality than Kerry & they didn't want Kerry to look bad. This was widely reported on, especially at the end. The people Bill Clinton suggested to work on the campaign (Lockhart, Susnik, Johnson)advised that Edwards needed play a more public role because he connects with people.

So lets not think that he took a back seat because he was a non player.


http://oneamericacommittee.com/
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 12:04 PM
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152. Very true.
It was a huge mistake. They should have unleashed Edwards on Southern Ohio and Iowa to talk about trade and his Two Americas theme for the last two months of the election. It probably would have made the difference.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:03 PM
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100. Good. It shows Hillary is not a given.
I already knew that, of course. Edwards is a good guy, but Clark is the one.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. the Clintons are "given" to while blessed with plenty of divine cash w/pic
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:12 PM
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102. LOL. No more sacred oligarchies! n/t
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:21 PM
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103. awww come on clarkie, just one more avenging angel w/pic... lol
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:16 PM
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130. You are good with photoshop. I like Feingold, but he's no angel.
I'm afraid we will have to select from mere mortals, as usual.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:24 PM
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104. Believe it or not, being a frontrunner this early is not necessarily good
I remember some other frontrunner in Iowa in 2004 leading up to the caucuses with a "commanding lead"...
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:38 PM
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111. If Edwards wins the nom in '08, I'm moving to Borneo
to live among the orangutans, and giving all my money to the Green party. We need an alpha progressive, and Edwards ain't it.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #111
114. That's sad.
Just sad. I hope you feel better.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. I hope YOU feel better,
knowing that your bright-toothed boy is beloved, at least, by several people in Iowa. Must be depressing as hell for you, knowing that the nation as a whole didn't take to him all that much in '04--when he failed to deliver a single red state for his ticket. What was his slogan again--"hope is just around the corner?" Was that it?
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. I do feel better
And I owe a lot of that to John Edwards.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. More power to you then.
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 07:56 PM by smoogatz
What is it you see in him, exactly? I still can't figure out how he was the best choice to be Kerry's running mate, other than the fact that he was kind of the Southern anti-Cheney.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:11 PM
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129. Once upon a time
I used to be a fundie/evangelical type Christian. Not a Republican - in my former religion, there was no place for politics in our religion. Christ was no part of the world, so neither were we. We didn't even vote.

Well I lost my religion. But I never became political. I didn't like Reagan or Bush 1 much, and it wasn't until Clinton was prez that I lost my faith. At the end of his presidency, however, I became thoroughly disgusted at what they were doing to him - because in my opinion, even though I wasn't political, didn't pay much attention to what was going on in the world, I thought he was a damn fine president.

I started to wake up.

Then - Bush jr. OMG, did I start to wake up. Bitch to my republican voting boyfriend day and night about the shrub. Actually had a long detailed conversation one night about what I would do, if I was president, to fix this country.

The very next day, I was driving home from work in my car, listening to the radio, when the news came on. And I heard this fabulous excerpt from a stump speech - some guy with a southern accent - he was saying nearly word for word everything I'd just said I would do to fix America if I was president. I couldn't believe my ears - someone who thought like me was actually running for president. I made sure to catch this fella's name. It was John Edwards.

When I got home I went online and looked up this John Edwards. The only problem I had with him was with the war. Everything else was right on par. Then I clicked this thing called a BLOG. WTF is a blog??? Next thing I know, I'm seeing more people who feel as I do, I'm blogging, I'm becoming active, I'm making donations, I'm campaigning. I'm researching. I'm catching up on years I missed out on. I'm registering to vote. And my very first vote was for John Edwards, in the Democratic Primary, Super Tuesday - 2004 - and it was then and there that I met Bill Clinton - right there on my very first vote. Next thing I know, Kerry taps him as VP, and I'm off to PA to campaign again.

All because a man named John Edwards lit a fire under my butt.

He may not run, he may not ever be president, but I'll support him every day till my last. Because I DO feel better. And I owe so much of it to him. I hope to thank him one day for opening my eyes and inspiring me to get involved. I really think I'm a better person for it.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #129
141. PWRinNY - please keep posting. John Edwards is the real deal.
And his wife, Elizabeth...and their children, Kate, and the little ones. They are a wonderful family...a tonic for the nation. Their time is now.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #111
125. We need someone that will stand up for us "normal"
People. We better have that.

And so I say this plainly - General Clark - he is just on a different plain of existence.

Where can anyone expect to find a winning General that is also a competent economist and philosopher??

He is on a different level, our General.

Edwards would be ok as president - I want Clark as SOD though, I trust him.

Joe



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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #125
126. Clark wouldn't be eligible for SoD in '08.
He hasn't been retired long enough. Or so I'm told.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #126
128. I've read that too.
Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary efforts.

I do want him. This is just a waiver of congress - and it will be our congress at that point.

It is the number of years your out of the military that determines it.

The guy won the last war we fought, I doubt there will be many questions by 2008 in the middle east - as there shouldn't be!!

Joe
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #111
153. Sure, we need a trial lawyer who sues big corporations like Nader.
Someone who takes about poverty and corporate power, like Nader.

Oh wait, that describes Edwards too.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:45 PM
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113. He's another fantastic Democratic leader. I like Edwards, also. (nt)
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 07:46 PM by w4rma
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:48 PM
Response to Original message
116. He's too rich to wield the Populist Message...and its the Populist
message that will groundswell the sheeple to throw off thier PNAC Overlords.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. FDR was rich.
At least by depression-era standards. I'm just sayin'.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #119
131. Yes,
And there is no one better that ever stood up for us middle class peoples.

Joe
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #116
154. Even William Jennings Bryan eventually got rich.
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 12:08 PM by Radical Activist
The fact that he started out in poverty and made millions works just fine for populists. There are plenty of poor and middle class people who don't represent their own economic interests. I think its more difficult for someone born into wealth who has never struggled, like Dean.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:37 PM
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140. John Edwards has a weapon no other candidate has...
Elizabeth Edwards.

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:53 PM
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146. he'd be a great candidate! n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 10:55 PM
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147. Does Edwards support Senator Kerry's amendment to bring our troops home?
As early as tomorrow, the Senate may start debate on Senator Kerry's resolution 36, an amendment to bring our troops home from Iraq by the end of 2006. It is time for our Dem's to stop sitting on the fence on this issue. We either stand for something or we stand for nothing. Please call or e-mail your senators and all other senators who can make a real difference.



http://www.johnkerry.com/action/call/senate/?sc=hp
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