Just as I thought, Fitz is a coward

Theres no way there wasnt enough evidence to hange Rove.

Fitz caved from political pressure. Hes yer typical coward.

Until then it's not over until the fat lady sings.

And there is still Libby's trial!

the investigation isn't over.

Why are people so gullible?

"gullible" is hardly the word I'd have chosen.

Bless your gentle soul.

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If the law had been a little less strict in this area, Rove would have gone down, and so would Libby.

I think he could have just as easily charged him with perjury, and nothing.

Face it people. Honorable people who do the right thing are rare. Fitz proves this.

him with perjury if he tells the truth on the stand? We don't know what Rove told the grand jury.

his lies away. Just from the facts I know , he changed his story while on the stand in front of a jury. Do you think Clinton would have been allowed another chance to change his story?

What went on in the Grand Jury is secret. There are not a whole of public facts right now just guesses based on filings.

this case isn't closed yet and more indictments are no doubt going to come. Tell me how can the man who indicted the Vice President's Chief of Staff be a coward who caved to political pressure?

Somehow, I doubt that.

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Fitzgerald is a coward. That explains everything. :eyes:

There's going to be a trial.

Read the statute. Explain what Rove did. Explain how you would prosecute him.

able to prove it. Obviously, he feels he is missing something with Rove's case and that he cant prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Fitz is doing his job.

I heard he always indicts "Official A". So WHAT HAPPENED?

And, no, I do not believe Fitz is a coward.

Don't diss Fitz! :) Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't enough evidence to indict him. It happens. If you read Fitz's original indictment of Libby, Rove comes off as a tangential figure. Maybe he lied, then cleared it up in his later testimony - no perjury, or obstruction of justice. The leak might not even be a crime based on that hugely complex statute. Rove's evil, but that doesn't necessarily mean he committed a crime in this case. Fitz has been focused on Libby/Cheney this whole time & I'm still hopeful that another indictment could come down against the VP's office. We'll just have to see how the Libby trial pans out. There's hope!

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and sometimes the job ain't pretty. At the end of the day, Fitz has to decide whether he has the evidence to indict. If he doesn't, he doesn't.

He did this just to piss you off.

Fitzgerald has always been such a big bitch. He told me - he really did - that he'd deliberately make sure Rove wouldn't be indicted so that you'd be pissed.

See how this system of ours works?

Yep.

You got it.

That big bitch.

Real brave, no comment.

and so did I.

That's how it works.

He's still a big bitch for what he's done to you, though. I stand by that, dammit.

Saying no comment isnt a comment . Its a no comment. So no comment. That makes everything just go away, no explanations , no questions, easy cheezy.

even if you don't think it is.

Sort of how Fitzgerald targeted you and failed to get the grand jury to indict Rove just to annoy you, even if you don't know it.

See how that works?

Or else Ill indict you and then not tell you why.

So big bitchiness is catching, huh?

heh heh heh

Have a good evening, friend.

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And we waited and waited and he never showed. But all was not lost during that wait. We learned a lot about how we really craved justice where there was none. It may get some of us off of our asses now and force us into political action. I think it's a good thing and I think we need to let Fitz go now. He was never the answer.

But Rove wouldnt do that IMO. He knew with the right amount of pressure, he could make Fitz back down. Fitz did, and then he doesnt have any comments. I believe he waited so long hoping the attention would die down. Now we will wait another year before he says case closed.

Not enough evidence to convict Rove? PLEASE. 5 times to the grand jury. An expectation of indictment by even the MSM. Fitzgerald is just a guy, no hero, but I don't think he's a coward. However, if he lets ratfuck go-he's off the Christmas (Don't ever Say FITZMAS again!)list forever. Let's put it this way-not good enough. Not when outing someone for political game is Rove's entire raison d' etre. Not enough evidence? I will never by that as an excuse.

Libby looks like a classic fall guy. Rove via winks and nudges sends Libby out on a smear mission, but won't be the only one trying to tarnish Wilson. Then, when the law shows up, everyone's scrabbling to get their cover stories lined up. Rove is smarter than Libby, possibly somehow gets word that his original testimony leaves enough things unsaid to get him in trouble, and so he heads back to the grand jury for a little more ass covering.

Libby as I understand is partly in trouble for perjury for not telling the "whole truth" (or enough of it) to the grand jury. If Rove is half as crafty as the Mihopper crowd contends, he's gonna be smart enough to cover his ass with a return trip to the grand jury and make sure he's unindictable. This leaves Libby as an obediently quiet fall guy. When he gets out of prison after a very short sentence, he'll have a nice job waiting for him.

Rove, meantime, is looking for speaking gigs, corporate gigs, or possibly dropping a line or two into the McCain and Jebby camps. Nothing changes and most of the big bad wolfs walk away clean.

You need to oxygenate your brain cells, as they seem to be failing at the moment.

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I was mowing grass all day and then came inside to find out Rove walked away without as much as a scratch. He outed a CIA agent and got away with it. If you folks arent pissed off , then you dont care.

I wouldn't want his job that's for sure.

Perhaps there are some who don't care, but I doubt you'll find many of that type on DU.

To be honest Ksec, I care more about my family and pets drowning and losing my home, AGAIN, this hurricane season.

As for Rove, pox on his house for eternity. I'd like to see him suffer, but I am patient.

Anyway, Dick Cheney is the main target and the Big Prize. ;)

To my knowledge the investigation is still on and Fitz's track record on previous prosecutions does not lead me to believe him to be a coward. If anything I believe him to be a dedicated courageous public servant. To me, he is David going against Goliath, only in the real world Goliath just might win. The last thing I will do is throw barbs at David in the middle of the fight. While I may be angry, I am not taking it out on Fitzgerald.

For the excuses to roll around to Fitz. Fitz does not strike me as anything but professional.

unbelievable

It's right after denial.

I don't belive people at GITMO should be locked up without due process and same has to go for political opponents. There is not always enough evidence to convict the guilty without risking convicting the innocent more than already occurs.

And the investigation continues.

Perhaps you will eat your words if he snags someone higher than Rove.

That's the only way one could make such a statement.

On the other hand, if you don't know everything Fitz knows, your post is premature and probably idiotic.

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And I realize it seems to plod along at times amid a swirl of speculation, spin and counter spin. But I have no qualms with letting it take its course.

(As if I had a choice, duh. It is what it is and we are in many ways bystanders to the drama.)

Just my two cents.

his testimony and just explain away the comment about Lewinsky?

Please don't be offended by my pointing that out Ksec. (If you recall, I bump your threads often.) You already know the answer to this.

I am just trying to point out fallacious reasoning so we can move on to topics about which we can do something... like helping us on the Gulf Coast rebuild our levees before another hurricane strikes.

Understandably you are upset - MANY of us are pissed off, but we should keep our heads as cool as possible. The OP was an emotional response, of which I am also guilty, but you have set yourself up for ridicule. Take a break and come back later.

If it helps, think about this: Dickhead Cheney is the REAL target of the investigation, and Rove will eventually pay for his crimes as well.

... and visualise this:



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I'd be curious to hear from you, with links to sources, exactly the factual evidence that Fitz is ignoring. You obviously have it all recorded and fully analyzed. Don't forget to include the rebuttal testimony, so we can make sure that the evidence that could "hang" Rove meets the "beyond a reasonable doubt" test.

Thanks.

executive branches of this government, it would be foolish to think any bushco "BIG FISH" are going to indicted for ANYTHING!!! I have become numb to ALL POLITICS as it has become ALL CORRUPTION without consequences. bushco's brand of 'liberty' and abuse of power has been tough to stomach over the past five and a half years. If Fitz had indicted rove, there would have definitely been retribution, in some ugly form, by the rethuglican machine.

At least that's all you were hearing from anticipating wingers and pundits when some of the MSM was hinting at him as all but impending toast. That was only a few weeks ago.

So much for that old saw.