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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:00 PM
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DSCC Would Support Indy Bid by Lieberman
Hope this is not a dupe. Goddamit! Are they forkin' nuts?

DSCC Would Support Indy Bid by Lieberman
According to Hotline On Call, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee "fully supports" Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) in his primary bid against Ned Lamont (D), "and he refused to rule out continuing that support if Lieberman were to run as an independent."

Schumer explained that there were degrees of independence: "You can run as an independent, you can run as an independent Democrat who pledges to vote for Harry Reid as Majority Leader."

Meanwhile, the AP says Lieberman "must soon decide whether to begin gathering signatures for a possible independent run." By August 9, the day after the Democratic primary, he'll "need to collect 7,500 signatures from registered voters to appear on the November ballot as an unaffiliated candidate."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/06/14/dscc_would_support_indy_bid_by_lieberman.html
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:03 PM
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1. This is outrageous!
people get on the phone to Schumer--this is what party primaries are for. If Joe loses in the primary it means enough Democrats who bother to vote don't want him as the party nominee and to support an Independent bid by Joe means I would refuse to support (monetarily) the Senate campaign this November. If enough Dems tell Schummer they won't donate to his committee he will change his tune fast enough.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:05 PM
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4. A total outrage
I am so angry there must be steam coming out of my head.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:25 PM
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17. Absolutely
I've read this item and the associated links several times and I'm just shaking my head. A co-worker came in, saw my face and commented, "You look a little confused." Yeah, to say the least.

:wtf:
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:24 AM
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29. Schumer
I went to his home page and asked how he could not support the primary winner,also noted that my meager donations would only go to H Dean, who seems to be one of the few dem. leaders to realize how to win elections.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:04 PM
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2. Speechless.
nt
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:05 PM
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3. Gee, makes me want to donate right now!! NOT!!!!
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 04:09 PM by Gloria
What a load of crap if they pulled the rug out from Lamont if he was the choice of the people!


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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:06 PM
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5. should this all happen
I'm going to be very much looking forward to the explanations from DLCers and others who get their knickers in a wad any time a progressive contemplates an independent or third party run in a general election. :D
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:06 PM
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6. It's stuff like this...
that has me thinking about those conspiracy theories about Lieberman throwing the 2000 election.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:08 PM
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7. They did not say that they Would support an Indy bid...
He (Schumer) refused to rule it out.

Not the same thing. Sounds like politics to me.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:09 PM
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8. He should rule out supporting any independent bid over the choice
of Democrats in the primary and not play any word games.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:12 PM
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11. I agree.
He should support the Democrat in the General.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:09 PM
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9. Kos: "Sen: Schumer and the DSCC apparently want war"
"Schumer just gave Lieberman permission to quit the Democratic Party:" - Kos
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:11 PM
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10. oh come now.
That the DSCC won't rule out supporting an independent candidate - against both the Repub and Dem candidates - is more than just politics as usual after the six-year harangue against Nader. :D
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:14 PM
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14. Nader!?
Them's fightin' words!

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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:16 PM
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15. you know what I mean.
:P
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:12 PM
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12. I think Chuckie better get up and explain to us what the hell he means.
Either he is saying that the primaries and the voice of the people is a complete waste of time or he is saying that we shouldn't bother. They have usurped our candidates wherever they could, now they are telling us if they can't beat our guys they will just run against them? And they wonder why people have no faith in the system...
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:12 PM
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13. Here is Schumer's Washington phone number and fax
phone: 202-224-6542
fax: 202-228-3027
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:16 PM
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16. Schumer wants lie-ber-rated from the party too, it looks like.
Schumer is moving to the right with Joe it looks like.

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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:28 PM
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18. Diary on Kos
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:34 PM
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19. Schumer's comment is ambiguous. I think Lieberman faces a forceful
challenge by Ned Lamont and I don't think Joe can beat Ned in the primary after reading this morning's news of the Rasmussen poll showing Lamont surging even more than he had been.

Politics rarely sees an ascent as startlingly quick as Ned Lamont's.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 04:46 PM
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20. I REFUSE to donate any more to the DSCC
If they are going to do shit like this, then I'm done with them.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:41 AM
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34. Yep.
Exactly.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:08 AM
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37. I've refused for some time
Every time I get a request for money, I write back stating that I will not contribute as long as they're supporting Lieberman.

I don't know if anyone reads it, but I try.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:38 AM
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41. I've always just tossed requests for money
All my money goes to Howard Dean and/or candidates I know and trust. I'd love to get a request from them now. I'd know how to respond.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:33 PM
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21. Hey Chuck... Stuff It !!!
Christ...

:mad::nuke::mad:
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 07:40 PM
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22. This crap does NOT help us!
What the hell is the DSCC smokin?? I certainly hope Chuck is paying attention.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:12 PM
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23. Aggravating in the extreme
If they back an Independent over a Democrat selected by Democrats there will be HELL to pay.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:20 PM
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24. chuck did this to Paul Hackett too
I don't want to get into a pissing contest about Hackett vs Brown but yet again you see the slimy hand of Chuck all over it.

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:52 PM
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25. Pissed off at first, but...
I don't think it is that bad overall. Remember that unlike the House, the Senate has generally held onto a tradition of decorum. Although some (not all) righty Republicans have been breaking that since 9/11, the Democrats still at least have the decency not to slag each other.

So take Schumer's comments in that vein, and its all good. I highly doubt Lieberman would run indie anyways.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:02 PM
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47. Oh pu-lease! Either Loserman runs as a DEM or he is not and that
depends on the Democratic primary where the voters decide if they want to keep loserman or try some fresh air. If he looses, he is NOT a democrat and should NOT be supported as such by Democrats in any offical capacity!! It's really pretty simple!! Shumer's an ass for even suggesting anything like this!!

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thoughttheater Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:20 PM
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26. What's at stake?
Read an analysis of what's at stake in the Lieberman vs. Lamont contest...here:

www.thoughttheater.com
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:40 AM
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43. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:23 PM
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27. Can't let them out of touch liberals
take over the party.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:12 AM
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28. This is against Party rules...
My precinct committeeperson handbook says that partymembers are to support the duly-nominated Democratic candidate in every general election in which there is a duly-nominated Democratic candidate.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:28 AM
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30. that CANNOT be allowed to happen.
The Democratic party supports DEMOCRATS.

If Schumer doesn't like it, then he can fucking turn "independent" as well.

This is one area where being partisan is not only a good thing, it's a REQUIRED thing.

Otherwise, sue for fraud: they AREN'T the DSCC - they're the ISCC ("I" = "incumbent").

Fuck Schumer, and all who refuse to support the eventual Democratic nominee. (Yes, I know that can cut two ways - my point is partisanship here.)
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:28 AM
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31. If they do that, they might as well kiss off campaign contributions
completely. And why would they risk handing over the Senate seat to a Connecticut Republican by refusing to support the duly nominated candidate in the primary? Uh-uh. . .that is NOT gonna happen.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:14 AM
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32. This is tantamount to saying
that no one can run in primaries. So much for the "Democratic" Party.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:37 AM
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33. Taking Leave Of One's Senses Is Going Around
not just in the Democratic Party, either. Is there any research into such a mass psychosis as we are experiencing lately?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:02 AM
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35. Well, Chucky just heard from me!
I let him know that our here in America, Democrats are furious with this quisling, and the new energy and money in cyberspace will be unavailable to him if he pursues this divisive course.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:39 AM
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36. If Schumer approached Republican opponents the way he
does Democratic voters, we might win more often. Are these people nuts?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:04 AM
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38. Yay! People are getting a clue that the DSCC has a double standard!
Just fall in line and do as we say, folks.

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:23 AM
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39. Another reminder of one's influence over the party: zilch!
The party appreciates that voters have their own mind, but it prefers the little dears try not to use it except for the kinds of activities it truly values, such as writing checks.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:34 AM
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40. They're great Democrats, aren't they?
Supporting an independent over a Dem. Assholes.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:40 AM
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42. No, It's a good thing. They have shown themselves in their true
colors. They have nothing but contempt for the New Deal midship-ballast of the blogosphere, and indeed the country at large - but don't expect them not to come with the begging bowl, explaining how the earth is flat and pigs fly, come election time.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:41 AM
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44. What about Bernie Sanders?
http://www.dscc.org/2006races/vt/

He is running as independent, despite the fact that there is a Democrat in the race:

http://www.drownforvermont.com/
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:09 AM
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45. Joe running as an Independent would lead to a republican winning
the election.

Lieberman knows this, and so does Schumer.

This indicates that the DLC would prefer that a republican takes this Senate seat rather than a democratically chosen non-DLC Democratic candidate.

So, either the DLC thinks this would teach Democrats this lesson: "Either you vote for a DLC candidate in the primaries, or we will make sure that a republican wins the election, so never do this again", or they are outright collaborating with the republicans to insure that the Democratic Party remains ineffective as an an agent of changing our corporate government back into a democratic government.

How completely petty, arrogant, and treasonous is this?

The right thing, and the classy thing, for Lieberman to do, if he is defeated in the primary, would be to bow to the will of the People, accept his defeat graciously, and then wholeheartedly support Lamont in his campaign.

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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:07 PM
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48. I don't think this is certain, but even if so, then let it be so....
for it's time to start kicking these assholes who pretend to be democratic OUT OF THE PARTY. If that's the legacy sore-loserman wants to leave, then fuck him!! Let real dems -- of, for, and by the people and NOT corporations -- see what a undemocratic scumbag traitor-Joe is and work all the harder to purge the DINO's out of the party.

Joe can go and join Zell in the hall of shitheads.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:02 PM
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46. Logical Conclusion: Liebermann must have threatened to run as a Rethug
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