Why do some DUers allow themselves to be pissed on by media?

This whole truthout story has really shown the stupidity of some people here. The statement they put out was such a terrible diversion tactic. I don't think even Fox news would try something like that.
And to see people here helping them by trying to change the subject and demanding why posters aren't attacking "this journalist" or "that journalist" makes you wonder what people's true motives are.
Do they stand for justice, equality and happy hour? Or just for whatever they are told to stand for by their media/political superheros.
It's a depressing state of affairs when people don't demand the same standards from their prefered source of news that they demand from other news sources.
Remember people, FOCUS. This isn't about what NBC did last year. It's about what TO did last month.
Truthout fucked up, they think they can get away with it without accepting responsibility, and some here are ready to let them just because they're a progressive mag. It is completely kicking their readers in the face.
If you're dense enough to smile whilst they put the boots to you, enjoy the world of hypocrisy you live in. Frankly, I wouldn't want your kind running the country anymore than the ones running it now. It's the same breed of people only with different values.

(And, before the flames start, this is not meant, in anyway, to be an attack on Will Pitt. I have no reason to do so, nor do I expect one. My beef is with truthout's handling of this situation.)

I think when time has healed some of their embarrassment, they will realize they need to do some serious mea culpa. Me, the cynical bitch on a broomstick, gives them the benefit of the doubt and a teensy bit of faith that their common decency will guide them in the long run. They made a mistake. It happens. I think the way some people behaved towards them the week-end after they printed their original story was rephrensible too. This isn't just the media in general, it's friends. I think the character of people can also be judged by how they treat their friends in a time of difficulty. There are some people on DU that I now know I wouldn't trust to take care of a house plant, let alone be there in a difficult fight.

I think it's fair to hold each other up to high standards.

I also think that it's still possible for Ash to rescue the reputation of TO with those they've dissapointed. They'll have to honestly fold on this hand before getting into the next game though.

I don't deny that, I wouldn't even try to kid. So I'm not trying to pretend I haven't held somebody to a high set of standards, even higher than I hold myself at times. BUT, I really cannot kick people when they're down and that is what this TO thing seems like to me at this point. I think they're more likely to admit their mistake quickly if they sense they have a generally forgiving arena. They stepped into it, no doubt. I don't know Leopold, but it's likely ego was involved, it usually is in these kinds of situations. And I know it takes a bit of time to lick those wounds, admit your egotistical flights of fancy, and face the music. I believe they will and I don't have a need to make it any more difficult for them. That's just me. I've stayed out of the whole thing for the most part, but it's time to put it behind us and help them take the right path. People really don't have to be beaten to a pulp in order for amends to happen.

(kidding)

Some take criticism of TO, as criticism of themselves because they placed their faith in TO.
(which is interesting considering their blunder regarding atheists)
It's not the human error that bothers some of us, it's the ego driven ass-covering spin that rubs us the wrong way.

Similar to you, at least, I'm more interested in other things in the news cycle, as it were. ;)

Again, I think it's possible for a Rita Hayworth and Truthout Redemption to take place, and I hope it does, but the comments from the editors aren't the reason for my hope.

sources is a big idiot. I frankly don't understand why DU made such a fuss over the Leopold story - no one should have really taken it seriously. It should have been taken with a grain of salt until there was more evidence.

And the continuing vendetta against Truthout and Leopold is just amazing. Yes, if major mistakes continue to be made, stop going to that source. Otherwise, chalk it up to an error in judgement about a source, or change in plans by Fitzgerald, or whatever.

This is really getting tiresome.

Much like Dan Rather and the 60 minutes producers...

Why? Because they could. And they made TO look a little foolish. And a little discredited to the MSM.

So that means someone is actually worried about TO, Will Pitt, and I daresay, DU... just a little bit.

I am pissed by the media because the US media claims it is not controlled by the RW GOP, but if you review their actions there are none that would change if they were controlled by the RW GOP. The US media acts like it is controlled by the RW GOP. The US media pisses on its readers daily, in my opinion.

TRUTHOUT is not part of this con job. They say and appear to have higher standards. When they say that they have multiple sources and multiple reviews by different editors. I believe them. This is in contrast to the New York Times/Washington Post Judith Miller/Howie Kurtz standards. GOP/government corruption can indeed make a truthful story no longer provable, but I do not blame the media that was trying to report the truth, even if the game is rigged so that they what they report can never be shown to be the truth. I recall the Dan Rather story that was truthful, and indeed had a memo that everyone jumped all over as fake, only to find out that two labs found out that the "recent vintage via Microsoft Word" GOP/RW bloggers mantra was crap and that there was no proof that the memo was not typed by the military fellow using the typewriter in his office. The only error by Rather was not knowing that his source needed additional backup via the secretary for the original broadcast and the memo needed more qualifying of the quality/history of the memo words. But some want to show that Rove throwing shit and getting away with it means he planted the memo and planned the game. Rove always throws shit when caught, and our not controlled by the RW MEDIA, THEY JUST ACT LIKE THEY ARE CONTROLLED BY THE RW MEDIA, always loves to sell us his shit - that time under the con about of just "demanding the same standards from their preferred source of news that they demand from other news sources" - albeit that Rather did not present the story in as airtight a manner as he should, the ability of Rove's shit to closed the media down relative to the truth of the story was amazing and sad.

While I do not buy the "what would a lawyer have to gain" logic as proof of anything, I accept - until TRUTHOUT'S Monday 6/19 article is published - that Rove is not indicted at this time and TRUTHOUT was wrong either because the indictment was sealed and squashed, or because it was never voted. I do not believe the grand jury has voted a NO BILL.

I suspect there is one heck of a story behind what happened - but I do not know that you can ever prove obstruction of justice via pressure on a judge. I will be looking forward to the TRUTHOUT Monday article.

....hold any and all liberals feet to the fire to an even higher standard than we do the neocons. Otherwise, as you so rightly point out - we will be seen merely as the same thing but in a different disguise.

This is not the first time Truthout has screwed up and it certainly isn't the first questionable situation Will Pitt has been past of and it won't be the last either.

Blind faith vs skepticism, with blind faith unable to tolerate being questioned.

I understand there were some who had personal beefs and used that as the jumping off point of their skepticism, but did that make their questions any less valid? Journalism is not religion, you cannot expect people to trust you blindly, especially if you give them nothing but derision in answer to their legitimate concerns. Isn't that one of our complaints about the mainstream media and this administration, their paternalistic attitude towards their constituents?

Clearly you WANT him to get off scott-free. How can you be LIBERAL and question TruthOut when you consider all the GOOD WORK they have done for our cause??!!

I'm series!!1!!!

Though if I had to choose I would prefer to be in the group that does not get peed on.

"CT nut" and "idiot" or the ever popular "appreciation thread" (s)?!

Ok "we" get it already.....YOU are intelligent, and YOU keep your wits about you, and YOU should be able to tell US what we can and cannot post, and what we can and cannot believe, lest YOU will call US all sorts of foul names.

Yeah, we get it.

All hail the "reality based DU'er" :eyes:

This isn't about me, it's a message board. On a message board people state their opinions.
You seem angry, maybe you need to see a therapist.

that you should go fuck yourself. :hi:

A real journalist stating his opinion on an political message board!

Apparently "you" don't get much of what's being said, if "you" typed this response.