Many Democrats still think we should Finish the Job or Repair Iraq.

Many democrats, and I've seen a few here, including Hillary herself, support continuing the war as if it were somehow necessary or purposeful or whatever.

I totally disagree, we need to be the anti Bush war party. There is nothing that can be fixed, resolved, repaired, or helped in any way by our continuing presence. Nothing.

be abandoned. There are many instances where the correct decision is to cut your losses and quit.

How many of the war-supporters would hold a financial investment as it crashed to zero just because to sell at a loss would mean that the initial investment would be lost? It is just that in this instance, it is only lives that are being lost. They are making money so they want it to continue.

and we should come home now, of course.

Yeah... that'll happen. But that's the ONLY right thing to do, IMO.

there's something just wrong about making that kind of mess and walking away. OTOH, there seems to be nothing these clowns can do to fix it.

Walking out may end up being the best, or least bad, of many bad options, but I would really like to hear some others with some chance of fixing things. It may not be as hopeless as it looks from here.

at some point, tomorrow, next week, a decade from now, we'll be going into another country and doing the same thing. I know, I know, learn from mistakes, not enough soldiers, money, blah, blah, blah. It's going to happen, with the pen or the gun, most likely both. Everyone needs to be ready for that. Nothing stopped after Vietnam, and nothing will stop after Iraq.

that might have been ok thinking. There was maybe a shred of hope that a change in the US would lead to an actual rebuilding in Iraq. It's now mid 2006. The country has been in a state of choas for 3 years. The best thing the US could do is leave.

would:
1) Renounce all desire for a permanent presence in Iraq and turn over the bases we have built to the Iraqi government.
2) Return the infrastructure contracts to Iraqi contractors and send American contractors home.
3) Agree to remove American forces when and if an Iraqi government demands their removal, and to coordinate all US troop policies with the elected Iraqi government.

Of course, various powerful groups in the US are in love with the idea of an ever-expanding American Empire, or believe that the US presence in Iraq somehow protects Israel, or have large amounts of money coming in from contracts in Iraq, or through plain old chauvanism and racism can't stomach taking cues from 'those' people.

However the better means of repair may be scaling back our troop presence, begging for help from UN and NATO, and going about things much more diplomatically than we have up until now.

Force can't end force unless we kill them all...and at this rate, and with this plan, that seems to be what we are aiming for.

then, cause I want mine home.... Money and power -vs- Lives which one should we choose????

There is no job to do in Iraq - only madness to celebrate.