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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:50 AM
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Tony Snow Attacks President Carter
Tony Snow Attacks President Carter

Radio/television host Don Imus and White House Press Secretary Tony Snow attacked former President Jimmy Carter yesterday. Imus called Carter a “dope” and claimed his presidency had “humiliated America,” drawing laughter from Snow. Snow then drew two “comparisons” between Carter and Bush:

1. Whereas Bush “snuck off” to visit Iraq, Carter “used to sneak off and fish on the weekends.”

2. “Unlike in the Carter years, where…you had the humiliation of hostages being taken in Iran,” in Bush’s case, “you’ve got the president who’s showing up in Baghdad and talking with the new government.”

Watch it:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/15/imus-snow-carter/
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:53 AM
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1. Call for a public apology now!
Let it be heard from the mountain tops... Come on Democrats make an issue of this... If it were the other way around, the republicans would be cutting a washer off their ass....
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:53 AM
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2. Laugh all you want jerk, Bush will NEVER get a Noble PEACE prize.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 10:54 AM by Sequoia
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:53 AM
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3. That's just too nauseating for words
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:56 AM
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4. Wait. Carter used to sneak off to go fishing? Oh my God. That is
reprehensible. I mean, what kind of person would DO that?

That's it. I'm done with Jimmy Carter! What a vile beast! What trash. What a disgrace to the American spirit here and abroad!

May he rot in the hot blue blazes of hell forever and ever amen.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:21 AM
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21. And doesn't Carter realise there is endless brush to clear?
I love your post.

(Didn't Bush set a record for days on vacation?)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:28 AM
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28. Hey there, karynnj. Yes. There's always some brush somewhere that
needs clearing.

I don't know what we're going to do with Dubya. Such a nasty little critter, isn't he? And he surrounds himself with sniveling liars and gutless out toads. Yuck. What a horrible administration and what a dark time for our country.

But Democrats are rallying, and this Zarqawi bump isn't going to last for Junior. I think it's on to a real blue November.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:03 PM
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32. I agree - the Saddam bump faded quickly
These are strange times. I feel sorry for innocent people who were genuinely fooled and voted for him. If live is fair, they will learn just the type of person he is.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:56 AM
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5. I have another one!!
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 11:02 AM by malmapus
Where as Carter proudly served his country, Bush couldn't show up for duty.

EDIT: Or how about while spending all his time working to free the hostages instead of going on the campaign trail for his re-election, as compared to Bush sitting on his ass reading a childrens book upside down while our country was getting attacked.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:58 AM
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6. That doesn't even make enough sense to be called an "attack"
I'd call it a "squat and shit."
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:06 AM
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10. a messie one at that
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:59 AM
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7. Hey, Tony, how did Chimp catch that record-setting fish, if he doesn't
sneak off and fish? And don't forget that's what he said was his biggest accomplishment of his so-called presidency.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:13 AM
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16. And while Osama Bin Forgotten was planning? the attacks that
Commander Bunnypants loves to exploit at every opportunity, Chimpy was clearing brush on his pig farm, more photo ops.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:00 AM
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8. Not a bit surprised..
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 11:02 AM by SoCalDem
Carter's an "elder statesman" and freeps seem to love to bash him..

The hostages were taken because that was the advent of the Islamic revolution and because of the existent middle east policy in effect..

people forget, but the middle east "crisis" has been going on a long time and the Munich Olympics' attacks were the beginning of the "modern" round of terrorism..

Whether the Iranians were truly sympathetic to the Palestinians or not, that event triggered radical Islamic fervor anew and all the Mossadeq/Shah/Khommeini shit bubbled to the surface.. The "students" were actually stooges in the whole undertaking, because they actually LOST freedoms in their attempt to free themselves from the US/Shah connection..

Reagan/JamesBaker behind-the-scenes actions actually kept the hostages there longer than necessary..
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:26 AM
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25. The freeps bash Carter because he actually lives the Christian
principles that he believes in, whereas, Bush doesn't exhibit any of the qualities that people ordinarily associate with Christianity. Bush only claims to be a Christian, IMO, in order to gain support from his "base". The contrast between the two men is enormous and Carter makes Bush look like the hypocrite that he is. Therefore, freeper logic says that if you can attack Carter to make him look foolish and ineffective that somehow makes Bush look better.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:04 AM
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9. fk the iman and the snowman. now I must go wash my bod
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:06 AM
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11. Tony Snow: Classless and Clueless n/t
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:07 AM
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12. We only have 130,000 hostages in Iraq.
Way to go, Duhbya!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:07 AM
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13. Imus and Snow are vile and evil scum.
President Carter is one of America's greatest statesmen. In addition he is a nuclear engineer, a graduate of the Naval Academy, a former submariner, a humanitarian, a peace maker and a Nobel Prize winner.

No Republican president could ever even be compared to President Carter in terms of intellect, service to country and basic human decency.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:12 AM
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14. snow and imus deserve
each other and the embarrassment to the USA is a bushmonkey residency.

Carter was elected at least once by the People..bush got one selection and one election stolen for him.

bush has lied to get in a War on Iraq and committed Crimes Against Humanity.

Carter can hold his head up high and create Habitat For Humanity.

bush can scurry off to pick up brush on the pig farm in Crawford.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:12 AM
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15. "Now watch this drive."
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 11:13 AM by eleny
No, President Veneer golfing instead.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:15 AM
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17. We can put an end to THAT silliness quickly enough....
From: http://www.counterbias.com/017.html :

* President Jimmy Carter (D) Georgia:

79 Days (over 1 term - 4 years)


* President Ronald Reagan (R) California:

335 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)


* President George H. W. Bush (R) Texas:

543 days (over 1 term - 4 years)


* President William J. Clinton (D) Arkansas:

152 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)


* President George W. Bush (R) Texas:

250 days (as of Aug. '03, less than one term!)


The percentages speak for themselves.
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:18 AM
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18. Bush wouldn't have had that photo op building a house...
in New Orleans if it wasn't for Jimmy Carter.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:19 AM
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19. What Tony Snow thinks = curiosity about what dogshit tastes like
Count me out...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:19 AM
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20. Carter was elected
someone needed to say it.
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Ringo84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:21 AM
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22. Re:
Now that pisses me off. The RWers must be really desperate now if they've chosen Carter as their new target.

Yeah - building homes for people. How unamerican. :sarcasm:
Ringo
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:21 AM
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23. Lets fix that sentence, shall we?
“Unlike in the Carter years, where…you had the humiliation of hostages being taken in Iran,” in Bush’s case, “you’ve got the humiliation of watching our country get attacked while the president reads about a pet goat; then goes to war against a country that had nothing to do with the attack on what turned out to be completely false pretenses.”
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:24 AM
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24. Interesting
He takes the whole presidential career of Jimmy Carter and compares it to a 5 hour trip that bush took. Out of 6 years he can only come up with 5 hours of bush's time?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:27 AM
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26. He really wants to compare their VACATION records???
That's a stupid road to go down considering how much time Bush has taken off during his Presidency. :eyes:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:28 AM
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27. Bush has gone on vacation in Crawford or at the presidental retreat
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 11:29 AM by w4rma
almost every single weekend since 2000. And he doesn't just take whole weekends off, he has taken the whole month of August off every year for 5 years, also.
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:31 AM
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29. Meanwhile....
Howard Stern mentioned farts and sex and in 30 minutes made enough money to buy back all that cocaine Imus did in the 1980s. That's gotta sting, cowboy.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:32 AM
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30. I hate Imus and I hate Snow and so their views don't mean a thing to me
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:00 PM
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31. pumped up by getting a free ride in a bullet proof helicopter, wearing a
bullet proof vest and a combat helmet, are you, tony?

what a sorry ass! and by the way, did your colostomy bag hold up on the way there and back?
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:09 PM
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33. I'm sure Pres. Carter is a good man
...but certainly was not a great President.
Highest inflation period, highest taxes, gas shortages and a military that was so weakened
do to underfunding and obsolete equipment (Not to mention of the embarrassment of the farce of a rescue attempt).
He never really had that commanding presence on a world stage when compared to Pres. Clinton who
could enrapture a room upon entering it, and whose mental agility is uncontested in the debate ring.

Just my two cents
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:22 PM
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34. Your two cents is not worth half that.
He told the truth to the American people, something that hasn't been done very much since then. The things you mention are mostly right-wing talking points. It was the corporate spin machine that put Reagan in the White House and cast him as a strong and good leader, while Carter is still being discredited by these same liars. The notion that "Carter is a good man but not a great President" just does not bear scrutiny well. The fact that assholes like Imus can still get laughs (from the Presidential Press Secretary, no less) talking about this great man shows what a sorry bunch of cynicism now passes for public discourse.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:13 PM
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35. Yeah? Well, I'll take the Carter years CD rates any time.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 01:15 PM by WinkyDink
And that "rescue fiasco" can be directly attributable, IMO, to the treason of Oliver North, who was in a position to relay incorrect weather info. THEN there's the little matter of the Reagan right-wingers who made the treasonous deal with Iran to KEEP THE HOSTAGES until Reagan's inauguration.
And the sainted Walter Cronkite's nightly intoning of the days held didn't help, either.

Carter was a victim of this country's sick, demented, and psychologically revealing "macho" posturings---where a true veteran who achieved a momentous PEACE treaty can be scorned, and a lying A.W.O.L. war-MONGERING coward can be lionized, all based upon swagger and bombast.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:15 PM
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37. Argh, Carter cut taxes, jobs grew
Carter cut the capital gains tax in 1978, to 28%, that's the one Bush keeps saying increases jobs because rich people invest their money. Bush's job growth in the last 2 years has been about 1.5%, Carters topped 3%. It isn't his fault boomers were entering the job market at a time when we were paying for Vietnam, OPEC was playing games, and monetary policy fed inflation. It's stunning to me how well Republican propaganda really works, I will never understand why people who see the disastrous results of their policy continue to lap up the lies they tell in order to enact those policies. Carter was actually a very good President and Republicans ought to be considered traitors for interfering with the Iran Hostage crisis.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:38 PM
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36. "you will know them by their acts"
When I think of Carter, I think of a man who follows the path of Yeshua--when I think of *, I think of a spawn who follows mammon or Moloch (read "Howl" by Ginsberg). What I remember about Carter is the ME peace pact, his continuation of social conscience---the oil magnates dictate policy and I bet they sqeezed Carter the only way they knew--oil. We hurt from their policies. He knew we had to get off of the oil teat-he knew we were too dependent on the black opium. You want to talk about Iran, for an administration who is always talking dirty about Iran, they sure know how to secretly deal with them. I look at Carter's daughter, Amy, I see a woman who has been public active with a social conscience. So Snow, Imus when did Carter go fishing? Was if after he went to church (since he attended almost every Sunday)? After he taught Sunday school? And, hey you guys--how about that perch?
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