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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:42 AM
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IGNORING COULTER IS LIKE KERRY IGNORING THE SWIFTBOATERS
I can't believe the majority here WOULD REPEAT THE MISTAKE SO MANY HERE CRITICIZED KERRY FOR.

You think the MSM is going to ignore her? HA!

She's getting all the attention she needs like it or not. Dems/libs need to MEET HER HEAD ON.

Here's how you deal with a WHORE like her: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1434404&mesg_id=1434404

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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:45 AM
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1. One big difference
John Kerry was running for president of the United States and Ann is just some loud mouth entertainer.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:51 AM
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2. Wrong, this is an Election year, and if she goes unchallenged she will
threaten the Democratic momentum.

She will energize the conservative base which, to this point, was deflated due to the Anti-Republic nature of the Administration and the corruption of the GOP Congress.

She is the first among many who will try to 'swiftboat' the Democratic cause this year.
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celtdem Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:54 AM
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3. Bull shit
She's helping the Dem momentum. People are appalled at her behavior. What we need to do is keep pointing out that she's a Republican.

She's a gift!! It would be rude not to accept!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 01:17 PM
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10. That's because you (like me) believe the crap she spews is crap
The other side doesn't see it that way and are very 'drunk with her fornication' as the Bible puts it.

The conservative base is eating her shit and saying its the best thing yet.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:10 PM
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20. The conservative base isn't going to vote for us.
Who cares what they think?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:58 AM
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5. So far I see it working against them
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 12:06 PM by johnnie
Many Republicans are either speaking out against her or distancing themselves from her. Sure there are some whack-jobs that support her, but those people are people I wouldn't even want to be on any side of anything with.

On edit: I don't say ignore her or fight her, I was just commenting on the differences. Although I think that comparing her to John Kerry is not right either.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:11 PM
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12. Don't let them do it! Distance themselves from her, that is.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 02:20 PM by Raksha
If she's embarrassing some of them, SO MUCH THE BETTER! We should hang Ann Coulter around the neck of the Republican Party like an albatross! We need to let America know that Ann Coulter is the heart and soul of the Republican Party--meaning they HAVE no heart or soul whatsoever.

Just a few days ago, I too was saying we should just ignore her, but lately I've been rethinking that. NOT a good idea, it would be like Kerry trying to ignore the swiftboat liars.

Edited to fix typo.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:17 PM
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8. You missed the big difference
Kerry was a public figure, a well known politician. The 9/11 widows are private citizens and few know their names. The burden of proof in a libel case is completely different for the 9/11 widows, much less than it would have been had Kerry been smart enough to sue to gain subpoena power and tie up resources.

The 9/11 widows might even win.

Until somebody sues these foaming scumbags, until somebody answers the barrage of hate in the only way these people understand, by threatening their cash flow, will it stop.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:55 AM
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4. I believe Coulter could be somewhat neutralized if a $ connection
could be made between Coulter and the Bush administration.
The WH had journalists on their payroll, and I think she is being paid by them also.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:59 AM
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6. You are right. Why doubt what she has to say if those she attacks
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 12:14 PM by Benhurst
remain silent?

The corporate media whores are still behind her. Do you think Leno would have allowed either a rabid Arab or Zionist (and unfortunately there are crazies in both camps) to go on his show and spew out hateful crap like Coulter did last night? Of course not.

If we don't stand up to her lies, we deserve to be "swiftboated."

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:02 PM
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7. Exactly right!!!! Ignoring evil does make it go away.
REMEMBER!!!!!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)


Info in this thread goes a long way to explain why.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1428225&mesg_id=1428225
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:19 PM
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9. she is laughing all the way to the bank
she is going to retire someday a rich old hag and laugh at the people she duped.

I don't even believe she believes the shit that spouts out of her mouth...she just saw an opportunity to take advantage of the rich bastards that have more money than sense and who give her the money to write such drivel...and then she gets an added bonus when the unwashed hordes of republican voters buy her crap.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:28 PM
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15. couldn't agree more
especially about her not believing half of what comes out of her mouth...to this end, it is indeed like performance art, and she's very skilled with the one-liner bomb. what's more, i have a feeling that she knows long before she lobs them, what ilk are likely to pound their tables, stomp their feet, and make "big, important issues" out of her inflammatory, sensationalist rhetoric. *BAM*, before you know it, number one selling book and interviews with Matt Lauer and Jay Leno...talk about bank

all the while, she's laughing her ass off...i never fault anyone who plays the system to their benefit

i doubt she knows (or cares) what a principled liberal is...maybe not even a principled conservative

::::sigh::::
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:02 PM
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11. BUT KERRY DID NOT IGNORE THE SWIFTBOATERS
THE MEDIA IGNORED KERRY and KERRY'S TEAM'S RESPONSES TO THE SWIFTBOATERS While giving the swifties tons of free air time.

Just as the media gives Ann Coulter tons of free airtime w no rebuttal


-----
PS read
Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush, by Eric Boehlert
if you don't believe me about media Kerry and Swifties.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/05/03/eric-boehlerts-lapdogs_n_20318.html

Eric Boehlert's "Lapdogs" On The Swift Boat Hoax: "The Press, Spooked About Being Tagged As Too Liberal, Played Dumb On An Unprecedented Scale"...


<SNIP>

But was the story really that hard for journalists to decipher? As Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting suggested in 2004, what if the situation had been reversed and the shoddy Vietnam-ear attacks targeted Bush's war service? What if all the available documents showed that George Bush had fully completed his obligation in the Air National Guard with flying colors? What if virtually every member of his unit said he had been there the whole time, and had done a great job? And then suppose a group of fiercely partisan Democrats who never actually served in Bush's Guard unit came forward to claim for the first time--and 35 years after the fact--that Guard documents and the first-hand accounts were wrong, and that Bush really hadn't been present for his Guard service. Would the MSM really have had a hard time figuring out who was telling the truth, and would the MSM really have showered the accusers with weeks worth of free media coverage?

But playing dumb about the Swifties had become epidemic among journalists who must have known better. At one point, NBC's Tim Russert asked a guest, "If the substance of many of the charges "Unfit for Command," aren't holding up...why is it resonating so much?" Like so many other journalists, Russert refused to acknowledge the media's integral role in turning the Swifty story into a news phenomenon. Why was it "resonating so much" Russert wondered out loud. Maybe because in the month of August, 2004, NBC network news alone covered the Swift Boat story on Aug. 8, 15, 19, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, and 29. CBS covered the story Aug. 8, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and 30, while ABC devoted airtime to it on Aug. 6, 8, 9, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, and 26. Some of the networks, using different morning and evening news programs, returned to the topic several times in one day. For instance on Aug 23, CBS reported on the Swifty controversy four different times, which, of course, represented four more times than the CBS News division reported on questions surrounding Bush's Guard service during the entire 2000 campaign.

Reporters had the power the knock the phony Swift Boat story down fast and reveal it for the dirty trick it was, but too many chose not to. Relatively early on in the August coverage, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifties. But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

<SNIP>

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:20 PM
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21. Thanks, emulatorloo. I missed Boehlert's article.
It explains a lot -- and shows what we're up against, living in a country without a free press.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:19 PM
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13. she's a child
a parody, it's like performance art, in a way...she does the 'cover-my-ears-and-shout-the-most-offensive-tyrannical-one-liners-imaginable' better than anyone out there

but, like a child throwing a temper tantrum, she needs a time-out, in the corner alone, while the adults discuss matters of portent...and certainly no attention, as that only feeds the emotional torrent
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:24 PM
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14. Expose the tactic, that is not ignoring her
Don't argue with her about the truth of what she says, expose her for a shrill banshee who uses shock politics to avoid talking about real issues. She said it herself, they can't respond to truth tellers like the Jersey Girls or Cindy Sheehan. Keep talking about the truth of the issues and you take away the power of their bullshit. It IS responding. If their bullying strategy doesn't work anymore, they'll have to stop using it. It's exactly how you deal with two year old tantrums.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 02:45 PM
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16. Many counsel that we ignore the media itself
which would also seem to be the same mistake.

If you give them attention, it gives them credence. That was the logic. And many folks beat Kerry over the head, figuratively, for following that logic. And yet you're right. When it comes to the media, several people think we should just switch off the tv.
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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 03:29 PM
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17. BULLSHIT. If Coulter is focused on us, and we are focused on Iraq and
9-11 and Cindy and every other issue including the TRUTH

AND NOT HER

Then she has nothing to argue with

no one to argue with

Career OVER.



With no one to feed them, they will eat each other.


You are making her career what it is. People will always tune in to Ultimate Fighting. Just like they did on Leno. When the networks see this she will be on every show there is DISTRACTING EVERYONE FROM THE FACT THAT OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE DYING EVERYDAY as well as countless innocent people.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:46 PM
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18. The way to deal with Ann Coulter
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 04:53 PM by Tactical Progressive
is not to ignore her, nor is it to refute her. Getting into the mud with her is to give her a platform.

The way to deal with her is to make her representative of the party she represents. Ann Coulter: Republican spokeswoman.

When you talk about Iraq, make sure to interject how Republicans want to kill Arabs by the millions. This is especially good when Republicans pretend they care about the poor Iraqi people and want to "spread democracy".

When talking about 9/11, take the time to bring up how Republicans didn't give a shit about the WTC victims. Say "Republicans are sick saying that the World Trade Center victims' families enjoyed the deaths of their husbands, fathers, mothers and children."

When you talk to Republicans, talk to them as Coulter supporters. Don't push them for a refutation. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt that they probably renounce Coulter, until they do it on their own. They are all Coulter Republicans until otherwise stated.

Annie Evil is their representative. Treat them as such.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:02 PM
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19. I was watching some 'entertainment' garbage show the other night.
And they had on some PR guy for the stars who does damage control for those who end up in legal trouble. He's pulled all sorts of stars out of trouble and back into stardom. One of the things he said is his golden rule, and I'll never forget it and the Dems NEED to take this to heart: "Silence is taken as an admission of guilt. You need to find a way to respond QUICKLY"
Dems and their hmmming and hawwwwing and 'ignoring and hoping it'll go away' will be the death of them.
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:40 PM
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22. Can the 9/11 Widows sue her for slander?
I think thats the only way you can handle someone like Ann. Likewise why can't Kerry sue the swiftboaters for defaming him? Or Wilson for ruining his wife's career? The media never holds people like coulter or the swiftboaters accountable, so why not go after them legally? Anyone know?
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