2,500 - SNOW: "It's a number."

From the briefing today ...





So it's always a sad benchmark.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008754.php

was traveling in the other day over Iraq, the scary ass!

their opinion of the Constitution:"It's just a goddamed piece of paper." 2,500 lives lost because of this bunch of criminals: "It's just a number."

Wow.....that's cold.

over THAT comment

these bastards are. BTW, this stands repeating: Look at all these fine military repukes and pundits.

Republicans:

* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)

who never served either, but has made a fortune singing that ufcking song.

how much time Toby "Boot in the Butt" Keith spent in the military.

Redstone

:hi: :patriot: :kick:

Served and kept on serving and being served...or is it 'servicing?'



Ooooh, I think he's thinking about serving/servicing right now!

These people are unbelievable! They are so full of shit I'm surprised they aren't choking on it!!

Jesus said "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered". The number of every hair on every soldier killed, along with every hair on the head of every Iraqi civilian killed will be written against the Bush Crime Family.

Bush to dead soldier's mom: "How do you know his life would have been good?"

VIDEO INTERVEIW WITH Dolores Kesterson

By Jeff Norman
August 11, 2005
Cindy Sheehan is not the only Gold Star mom who felt disrespected after a visit with George W. Bush. Dolores Kesterson, whose son Erik was killed in Iraq in November of 2003, was among several military families who last year were invited to meet with Bush as a group. Each family was allotted ten minutes with the president, but because she is divorced from her husband, Dolores asked to speak with Bush one-on-one.

Dolores reports exclusively for U.S. Tour of Duty that she waited alone in a small partitioned area, wondering if her request would be granted, before a Bush aide suddenly announced, "The president will now see you." As the commander in chief strode briskly toward her, it seemed to Dolores that he was trying to intimidate her. "He came marching in and got right in my face...eyeball to eyeball, and said, 'I'm George Bush, the president of the United States, and I understand you have something to say to me in private.'"

Dolores tried to give Bush a sense of what type of person Erik had been. She described her son as a "comedian" whose favorite saying was, "Life is good." The president replied, "How do you know his life would have been good?"

Dolores was shocked by Bush's eagerness to question the value of her son's life. She told the president, "Nobody wants to die."

Before he concluded their meeting, Bush proclaimed to Dolores, "We won't know in our lifetime whether or not Iraq was a success."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x479658

:puke:

he has no clue about compassion or sincerity, cold and ignorance, just in his response I am the President, shows you how power corrupts, sounds like he has much to prove to his father, and putting all of noses in it. Spoiled frat boy, oh, a sick spoiled frat boy. He makes me :puke:

George W. Bush to Cindy Sheehan:

I have to get on with my life.

Abraham Lincoln to Lydia Bixby:

Dear Madam,

I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.

I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.

I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.

Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

A. Lincoln

I wish he'd written fiction or poetry.

the words Lincoln uses...'assuage the anguish of your bereavement...'wouldn't have a clue!

It's widely accepted that this letter is a forgery, and not only did this "Mrs. Bixby" NOT lose five sons in the Civil War, she hated Lincoln and was a Southern sympathizer, and perhaps a madam to boot. She may have had five sons, but they didn't all die in the war. The letter was almost certainly not written by Lincoln.

Ladies and Gentlemen - A Moron and A President.

you lying, disgusting piece of garbage! Not only is each death a benchmark, it represents another person who will not see family and friends again. It's another father, mother, sister, brother, best friend, cousin, significant other who will be grieved by another family over an illegal war your boss brought about.

It's not just a number, it represents 2500 heartbroken families that will never be the same because of this ridiculous, illegal war.

"... who goes through a time of war feels very deeply the responsibility for sending men and women into harm's way and feels very deeply the pain that the families feel. And this president is no different."

BULL-FUCKIN-SHIT!

(Sorry, other words seem to fail me.)

bush spent only 5 hours there, he has as much compassion as a snake. Geez, I hate these guys. They don't know what war is about, they have no idea, they were too busy being frat boys. that's all.

WHAT A LOSER! look how scared shitless he is - and you know there's a huge amount of protection aruond them at that time, imagine him in the field...

it's easy to say "it's just a number" when you're not an inch away from being shot & killed or blown up by a IED roadside bomb....



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- Check it out!

Puh-frickin'-lease!

one missing spoiled white girl.

This sickens me. Tony Snow is an asshole and the entire Bush administration is despicable.

apparantly the indifferent, distracted American people are willing to accept a slow gradual death and wounded count when it comes to Iraq, as long as it isn't their kid or the Jones' living next door.

For people to be in the streets, it's going to take a lot more people being killed.

And forget about Iraqis. They don't even register on the radar screen.

Is it any wonder why the United States is hated?

my husband who is not American, said the same thing not enough troops have died in Iraq for us to do or get in massive amounts of numbers to march in the streets, sadly to say, he is right. And that as it isn't happening here in the US, Iraq is a very far place and not affecting many Americans. Geez, I feel as though I'm going to :puke:

a mixed forum. Sometimes I ask the freepers: "What is your number? What is the highest number of American dead in Iraq that is acceptable to you? At what point will you decide the cost in lives is too high? 3000? 5000? More than that?"

So far I haven't gotten an answer, but I'm going to keep asking anyway.

especialy if it does not affect them in some way at least.

sad but true, our society is completely decadent.

That * got choked up says nothing at all about his feelings for the troops he has sent into harm's way. And judging by his actions (what people do counts what they say means nothing)in cutting the VA budget, having no clear plan to get the guys out of there except waiting for the next president to do the job so he won't take the blame and not even going to one funeral - he doesn't give a shit.

Snow may be remembered for this.

at your own answers to cover up bush's bloodthirsty hands?

officially made up the "sad benchmark," eh Snow? Fucking heartless administration.

number? Since, after all, that's ALL it is.

they were in a big hurry for Bush to do his PR stunt to come back to the US.

Snow is just toting the Party line.

Yea, it's just a number. It ain't a body count...

:hi:

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Just another sad and pathetic man in the bush camp.

I wanna hear you make that same statement when the number of dead American troops is equal to the number of innocents who were killed by the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Go ahead. I dare ya.

I nominate your "It's a number" statement for today's YARG! (Yet Another Republican Gaffe)

to be bush's grinning spinning boy.

Doesn't Snowjob see the incredible irony of that statement?

My heart bleeds for poor Boobya standing in a ballroom and "feels very deeply the pain that the families feel."

One of the things that decided me to tell the Marine Corps to shove it when they asked me to extend my enlistment to go to Vietnam was the thought of rich politicians having the power to send me to kill people I didn't know, had nothing against, and sympathized with, and risk my life, so they could look "tough on Communism" and boo-hoo over my grave.

A fucking ballroom fer Chrissakes!

that is the plain truth, it is not their asses out there, just as those who never did serve, they have no idea what WAR does to people. War to them is peace, just another sick concept to add to the many they have.

and just one more thing regarding that bush cares, yea, he cared yesterday when he said to Peter Walsten yesterday about his sunglasses, yea bush cares alright. :sarcasm:

"if its just a number, why not send the * Twins?" that would be great

that's my daughter, age 3-- at the NYC Peace March.

too bad, so sad.

what a glib pos.

to Bushco - fugg all of them. Karma is coming.

And when their time comes, please forgive me, I for one am going to enjoy it.

Soldiers into the War On Iraq and his press secretary is saying "2500" dead in Iraq is just a "NUMBER"?

Go back to fauxsux nuzak, snow..the American People deserve better.

So basically, Bush "feels" their pain.
I remember another President who had said something similar about feeling other's pain and was mocked severely by the right-wing and their loud mouthed pundits. Where is that mocking now with this president? Especially based on the fact that this president was talking about the pain of the loss of two thousand, five hundred human beings.

I'm glad I'm a bleeding heart liberal. In my book it beats the hell out of being a heartless, right-wing mass murderer.

Were pretzels on the menu?

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

It'll be interesting to see if surpassing the number of Americans killed on 9/11 will be just a number, too.

You could just add non-US military personnel. Since they're apparently large in number over there it is probably safe to assume that there are a number of non military US people out there who have died. I'm sorry I don't have numbers but my guess is that US citizens who have died in Iraq is probably close to (if not over) the 3,000 mark already.

Mark.

People with families, with lives, people who once lived and breathed and loved. :cry:

school of compassion and decency. He must have been taking lessons from "beautiful mind" Ma Bush as well as her "now watch this drive" spawn in order to have become that cold and unfeeling.

for those of you who need to puke again...

http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/snownumber.320.240.mov

FUCKWIT!

Mmmm hmmm. :puke:

2500 spouses who are now alone, potentially 5000 parents who have lost a child.

2500 Americans fed to the corporate death machine.

Fuck you tony snowjob. Fuck you and the killers you carry water for.

on edit: Added the nasty words.

They want their children to stop dying in Iraq. They see the underlying futility and stupidity of the "mission" and they want their children to live.

how large a number that is. I looked into 2500 small toothpick flags but even that was too expensive for me. They have no heart at all. But you know, this is the duck Vietnam crowd. Better someone else or someone else's family than mine. That's their moto.

"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic"

Joseph Stalin

Snow should pick up a gun and go over there; maybe it won't be "just a number" to him after he is getting his ass shot at!!! He doesn't have the guts to tell that personally to those families who lost loved ones over there.

comparing the deaths of soldiers by the 500's benchmarks? I would say it is a fucking disgrace and a tragedy being done for a lie.....

the constitution is only a piece of paper & the flag only a scrap of fabric

Redstone

with that vest on, I think not.

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:puke:

:hi:

QUESTION: Tony, American deaths in Iraq have reached 2,500. Is there any response or reaction from the President on that?

SNOW: It's a number. And every time there's one of these 500 benchmarks, people want something.

DU homework: Memorize the above question and quote. Repeat it to family, friends, co-workers and anyone who will listen. Type it up, print it out and stick it on your refrigerator door. For extra credit, make it into a text graphic and transfer it to a tee-shirt - Suggested placement: Question on front. Answer on back.

This is a deadly quote. The spokesman for the president just told those hero's families that their grief is nothing more than a statistical total. He just revealed to everyone that when the president says he cares about putting soldier's lives on the line, he's lying. This sorry excuse for a human being is the voice of * /SNOW says it = The president says it.

I saw the thing as it played out in that ballroom and from what was being said by bush, at the time that he was about to break into a sobbing fit, he appeared to be feeling more sorry for himself, than anyone else on the planet, dead, or alive.

I don't think Bush REALLY cares about anyone but Bush, ever. I thought and thought about the sob scene afterward and it looked like Bush was throwing himself a childish pity party.

I saw that a bit earlier and was irked by it. I'm sure to someone who has lost a friend or family member, it's not just a number.

Dap

How long, O Lord? How long before we stop sending our best and bravest to die for that lie called the war in Iraq? What will it take for this oinsanity to end?

These are not numbers, Mr. Snow. Don't believe me? just ask the families. :grr:

who have died on BOTH sides, as well as the thousands of young people who are maimed or who suffer from post-traumatic stress after this assignment.

May God help us all out of this quagmire.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

for saying that. :mad:

They want some fucking accountability! This war is bullshit and now 2500 Americans have died. YOU ALL FUCKED UP! YOU ALL LIED AND CONTINUE TO LIE TO PROTECT THE LIARS! Yeah, we all want you to admit that. That's something people want asshole!

That's just another number too fuckwad. God I detest that sonofabitch.

So is $288,780,600. Cost of the war: http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

So is 150,000. The number of Troops still in Iraq.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/US-2006-Military-Cost4jan2006.htm

So is 18,356. The number of US servicemen wounded in Iraq.
http://icasualties.org/oif/

So is 38,355. The number of Iraqis killed in the war (lowball count)
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

You're pretty unimpressed with numbers, Snowblower. Maybe you should get out that calculator to see if this is all worth it.

they should have asked him why he didn't name his kids One, Two and Three?

These cold hearted fuckers should blare Bob Seger's "FEEL LIKE A NUMBER" at every funeral hence forth. Just to let the families know what they REALLY think of their kids deaths. Beyond the fucking pale. Disgraceful bastards.

How cold and heartless these people are toward actual people. Even people that they sent to a war of choice are a bunch of "numbers" to them. I'm sure that the 10,000+ permanently injured and 20,000+ total casualties are all just numbers to them - in the same way they the MILLIONS of americans who have slipped into poverty on Bush's watch are all just numbers. The American people are just pawns in a game for the crypto-fascist neo-cons, not flesh and blood families of husbands, wives, sons and daughters who are being killed or going to bed day after day hungrier than the day before.

They should all be tried for criminal negligence, not to mention war crimes.

What. A. Crock. Of. Shit.

family forever changed ,and not in a positive way .A life lost may be just another number to this shallow excuse for a human being ,however I see it as another life cut short ,for a war that never had to be ,and mark my words more lives both miltary and inocent will be lost .I also believe because of our poor excuse for a president that our contry is much more likley then ever to be attacked again anytime. We have helped actually rasied the rankes of our enemies cause , made them appear as them having a more justified reason to fight us as we occupy thier land and abuse thier people ! The Iraquies did ot atack us on 9/11 ,yet they continue like a child caught in a lie to deny this fact.The whole thing is like a bad movie that gets worst as it continues. Here we have a president that did everything to avoid what he is sending thousands of others to do fight in a war thats not a good cause and thats real reason is control of the oil for his rich backers and our real president dick chenney. bush the pupet president will go down as the worst of the worst ,and will hopefully hold that record for the rest of the U.S.A.'s history !

do you think he rolls his eyes every time Bush & Co. says something asinine? I wonder if he can change the channel on the divine TV so as to not watch the insanity any longer. I've become so jaded with the news that I simply refuse to watch it, so I missed the Snow comment. But I hope that he gets a boatload of hatemail for it. I have family in the military and I'd be irate if they died and were referred to so crassly as a number. As it is right now, I'll be damned if any future kids I have want to serve. For what? A bunch of fatcats who could care less about their service, except for the supposed "patriotism" they get by swearing their support for troops? I say good riddance.
This whole administration is a trainwreck.

Hmph. Not quite choked up enough, in my estimation. Somebody pass that man a pretzel.

I see little wrong with the quote as it stands. It could have been phrased better perhaps, but this was actually an appropriate response. 2500 is a number. A horrible and terrible number, but still just a number. 2501 will be worse, and 2499 wasn't quite as bad. Just like 2502 will be worse than 2501. If we only had eight fingers people would get worked up over increments of 64, 512, 1024, and 1280 (in base eight that works out to 100, 1000, 2000, and 2500).

Whether or not the president is actually sincere in his regret is a different issue, but we can't really be expecting the press secretary to say otherwise, now can we?

Mind you, we use base ten, and 2500 is quite the milestone in the court of public opinion. We should really concentrate on that, and not this perceived gaffe. Place yourself in Snow's shoes and ask yourself how best to respond. Getting worked up over this phrasing is letting your desire to see these people in the worst possible light get the better of you. His comments weren't out of line, it's the war itself that is out of line.

However, when you consider the individuals rather than the toal, number 2499 was equally sad as 2500 and 2500 is equally sad as 2501. To a certain degree I think its wrong to act like the death of the 2500th American in Iraq is any worse or more notable than the first death. They all are unnecessary and the product of decisions based on lies.