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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:43 PM
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Lloyd Grove has a SERIOUS bug up his ass about Keith Olbermann
Forget the goods he got on Keith's alleged-but-blisteringly-accurate assessment of Rita Cosby ("intelligent as a suitcase full of rocks"); Lloyd Grove, resident tattler of the New York Daily News, has just turned up with a veritable goldmine of NEW e-mails purportedly from Keith Olbermann -- and a Genuine, chastened, cap-in-hand Apology, too.

None of which, of course, comes with verifiable attribution. That's because they come from that most trusted of all informants, the Unnamed Source.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/426796p-360015c.html (link may change after 15 June 2006)

Lloyd is now claiming that Olbermann replied to many e-mails in a very un-Liberal manner; i.e., like a Conservative. Which, after all, is a capital crime if you're a Liberal, but completely forgivable if you're a Conservative.

And Mr. Grove also notes that Bill O'Reilly has a whopping four (it changed to "six" during the time it took me to write this post) times the viewers of Olbermann. Which ought not to surprise anyone -- after all, most liberals are still at work, putting in overtime, when conservatives are at home, relaxing, watching Bill "O'Loofah" O'Reilly and listening to him outgas about the gay Mexican feminist flag-burning French-loving hippy Democrats who want to recall all our currency to erase "In God We Trust" from them.

Never mind that something is fishy when the bulk of any evidence is e-mail. Maybe it's just me -- I was once outed as a ne'er-do-well (and worse, a gay -- *gasp!*) back in the late 1980s on Usenet by an offended geek -- I think I made some nasty remarks about Objectivism, Libertarianism, Skepticism, or RPGers' abuse of "colourfull Britishe spellynge", or some other geek shibboleth, probably all in the same post.

Nobody took it seriously at the time except my would-be nemesis, but I did request the notes be "stricken from the public record" by the ISP and several of the Usenet hubs, which took more effort than it should have. Then, a couple years later, a friend of mine turned up an old copy that had nonetheless made it into one of the public archives. We had a good laugh and spoke nostalgically of old times. And a week later, my doctor was obliged to increase my hypertension meds. :)

If the Yalie gossipteer of the Daily News will forgive my reluctance to immediately believe -- (how do they say it?) -- gossip -- especially anonymously issuing from a news outlet undergoing a major purge of personnel at a time when the object of the gossip is on vacation -- I'll lament the stumble and/or fall of Keith Olbermann when I have good evidence of it. That is, if and when Olbermann assumes responsibility for, and apologizes for the e-mails, in print or on his program, where I can hear or read it from K.O. himself.

Until Grove complies with the basic requirements of journalism and provides credible attribution, I'll seriously suspect a low-level, high-intensity character assassination campaign by Yet Another Knob With A Copy Of Dramatica and a bad case of Long Island Lockjaw sporting a rampant hard-on for those he disdains as arrivistes who refuse to kiss Neo-Con ass.

--p!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:49 PM
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1. Sometimes being nice
only goes so far. I'm glad there is someone of liberal persuasion who is willing to throw back some hyperbole on the creeps who think they are the only ones who can dish it out.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:52 PM
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2. What happened to Ben Widdicombe?
I looked for him in the Daily dish and it was this other guy instead...what gives?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:06 PM
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3. Yup. Until it's verified, it's GOSSIP.
And even then, if the whole purpose is mean-spiritedness, it's still gossip.... and, IMO, wrong.

Not that I'm prejudiced or anything. :)
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:40 PM
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5. well, you might have a wee bit of a perspective problem
:hi: but the insults don't sound very Keith-like. And by that I don't mean "Keith, my hero, would never stoop to name-calling" or any horseshit like that, I mean that when KO wants to rip into somebody he uses his vocabulary to good effect. The stuff Grove printed is about as sophisticated as "I'm rubber and you're glue". Anybody here think KO is incapable of composing a good flame if the mood takes him?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:03 PM
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6. That's why Keith is the "King of Snark"
And these "insults" just aren't snarky enough to be Keith. :)
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:15 PM
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4. I see he choose the week that Keith is off
to write this.Keith's show is up and coming and the o'lilly show is on the decline,and in the 18-25 demographic I believe Keith kicks his butt.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:10 PM
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7. I think he has a secret crush on KO
Too bad he can't just be honest with his feelings.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:23 PM
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8. Grove did a hatchet job on David Brock's "Blinded by the Right" when
it hit the public a few years back.

Grove was one Mediawhoresonline.com's favorite targets.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:27 PM
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9. Suppose it's true that people sent obnoxious emails
to Keith Olbermann, saying he considers Zarqawi a hero. And that Olbermann responded by insulting them.

So what?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:28 PM
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10. He's not a journalist, he's a gossip columnist, and a Conservative
or at the least, a Clintonista.

He's taken a swipe at Kerry a couple of times too, and turned out to be wrong I might add.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:31 PM
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11. I don't get the big deal if every word he wrote about
Olbermann in that column is true.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:31 PM
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12. Keith is forced to apologize over remarks.
Yet Coulter's remarks are encouraged...

Me am glad to not visit Bizarro world....
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:10 PM
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14. I'm not even sure that happened
I certainly understand the double standard. The main thing is that this may be a non-event, in which case Keith Olbermann would be well within his rights to go medieval on Mr. Grove's ass.

Grove said that K.O. apologized. And then, provided no attribution. Grove's credibility as a political-writer-turned-Hedda-Hopper-wannabe already left a lot to be desired.

On the other hand, if Olbermann so much as apologized to Rita Cosby over spelling her name Crosby once or twice, we'd be hearing about it from Fox 24/7. It would be on the bottom-of-the-screen crawl. Geraldo would be assigned to it, and Roger Ailes himself would be obligated to haul his own perfumed milky-white ass in front of a camera to gloat over it.

So unless Keith really did it and until he performs a public mea culpa, this is an amateurish stab at character assassination.

--p!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:34 PM
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13. And, even if he did say that, then he was continuing his tradition of
TELLING THE TRUTH!

Rita Cosby is about as intelligent as a box of rocks. Hell, that's being generous, if you ask me.

:evilgrin:

(This place is full of KOEBers! :rofl: )
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:56 PM
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15. You guys all have really, really excellent points.
I am inclined to believe that the emails Grove published were real. After all, he presumably has to worry about getting sued (and I wouldn't mind a bit if he was).

The ones Bob Cox is peddling on his Olbermann hate site, Olbermannwatch? Not so much. Hell. I held my nose and went over there. No headers on the emails that would tell you where they really came from or whether they were forged. Hmmm.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:22 PM
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16. This is prob. good for KO's ratings: "any publicity is good publicity"
n/t
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