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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:15 AM
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Bringing back the sixties
yeah yeah yeah... I don't mean resurrecting the Greatful Dead, or the brown acid. What I mean is let's talk about what made the sixties great:

1. Strong labor and a rising new middle class that included labor union production workers.
2. a thriving revitalized educational system packed with gi bill students, and eager foreign students.
3. social services and the great society
4. a scientific revolution and the space race.

We could have all that back, and the needs are greater than ever. But the Republicans did not bring us the sixties,
they brought us the early 70's, a tragically unhip time.
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Sad4world Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:25 AM
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1. I guess you didn't mean this
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 04:30 AM by Sad4world
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:45 AM
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3. Why? Who would not want
1. Strong labor and a rising new middle class that included labor union production workers.
2. a thriving revitalized educational system packed with gi bill students, and eager foreign students.
3. social services and the great society
4. a scientific revolution and the space race.

?

All the negative shit about hippies is COINTELPRO stuff.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm
http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/06/03/hippy-infiltration/
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:46 AM
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4. cool site, Sad4world -
thanks for posting this! :hippie:
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Sad4world Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:54 AM
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7. Your welcome
laruemtt, but I think we are aging ourselves.:)
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:35 AM
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2. it's all over....
the gopigs have been so effective in undermining public faith in truth and in the institutions of a democratic society - indeed in the christianity as taught by its founder, jesus of nazareth, and supposedly called upon as basis of the public morale etc, yet....the healthy society you refer to was purposely made sick, and the illness was worsened by medevial cures administered by dr death and his merry henchmen ....jack welch and rupert murdock are fabulously wealthy men in part because they took a lead role in killing the USA as a beacon of light and hope. And the american people won't do anthing about it. Ever.
btw if the gopigs brought us anything, it was the great depression....the public execution of John F Kennedy, in broad daylight. The American people accepted that w/out complaint too....
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 06:11 AM
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6. Wow, you're really down on the American people. I have a different
view. Don't kick people when they're down. Find the way to buck them up, energize them, re-empower them, help them out of their morass. Currently, we have the specific mechanism of power in a democratic country--our right to vote, and our right to transparent vote counting--that has been taken away, recently--with the Bushite-controlled "trade secret" programming in the new electronic voting systems. The fascists now have direct control over vote counting. This is something that can still be changed, by a focused effort at the state/local level. It's not glamorous work, but it is essential to restoring the basic condition of democracy: transparent elections.

People are hurting and oppressed. And many don't yet know about this control mechanism or that it is still changeable. It's the sort of practical thing that Martin Luther King, or Gandhi, would address himself to. MLK's main focus, besides desegregation, was black voting rights, and specifically the poll tax and other mechanisms that were used to keep blacks from voting, and from achieving any foothold on power.

The Sixties--meaning the cultural and political revolution of that era--didn't just happen. It was the result of a convergence of small and large events, realizations and actions, on a great many issues. And it all took place AFTER JFK was executed, and in the midst of the MLK and RFK executions, not to mention the slaughter of some 2 million people in Southeast Asia. It wasn't a healthy society. It was a very sick society, only a few years from the very sick McCarthy era. The youth movement, the music, the notion "make love not war," the civil rights movement, and the equality movements for women, gays and others, and also the Native Americans' movement, were all eruptions of health, in an very over-militarized society that had never really demobilized after WW II, and in which the corporate/military porkbarrel was just finding its way to permanent status as the chief welfare recipient of the country, and an albatross on the backs of working people. The youth rebelled. Blacks and others demanded equatable treatment. The times they were a-changing, but not really very substantially on the deepest-rooted problem: our military economy. The youth (and I was one of them, so I know) were not really very savvy, and did not understand what they needed to do next: dismantle the war machine. The US economy never got back onto a peaceful footing--like Europe did and Japan. Although there were some tempering influences--a much freer press, more or less honest elections (at least, transparent ones), and some pretty good Democratic leaders (even with the execution of the strongest of them)--the entrenched corporate/military establishment won the day. I am sure it is their operatives--operatives of the war profiteers--who killed JFK, MLK and RFK (peacemakers, all). They further cemented their power, got rid of the one president who wanted to curtail them (and who succeeded somewhat in curtailing their more nefarious activities in South/Central America)--Jimmy Carter--and proceeded to their next war, illegally and in direct defiance of Congress--the war on Nicaragua--under Reagan. That illegal war had consequences--not terribly serious ones, but some. A bit of jail time for some of the Reaganites. But Reagan got off scot free, and the Dems colluded with the Reaganites, at that time, to re-write the tax code in favor of the rich. The end of the US middle class began then.

These corporate/military cabalists created a situation that was ripe for a fascist coup: a huge military machine, like a ripe peach, ready to be plucked and terribly misused. And here we are today. The American people are so used to the war machine, they can't imagine living without it. They had settled for it being used TEMPERATELY. They agreed to the rules--no torture, no unjust war, no domestic spying. No more Vietnams or Iran/Contras. The fascists have now broken all the rules--and the people, I think, are bewildered by it, and feeling very powerless, indeed, and are only just now wising up about the voting system. The turning point really came with Carter and the oil companies. They created a phony oil crisis and basically drove him from office, with Reagan inflicting the coup de grace, by negotiating with the Iranians to keep hold of their US hostages until after the '78 election--and all this with the complicity of the--by this time--war profiteering corporate news monopolies.

I fault myself, as a youth, and my generation, for not seeing far enough, beyond the very real social revolution, to the much deeper problem: the military basis of our economy, and of course its oil component. We had some momentum in the '60s to change things. The killing of our leaders, and the end of the Draft, took the steam out of all of it. And then, as now, the supposed liberal establishment, was very collusive, both as to helping cover up the assassination plots, and to maintaining high military spending.

I don't know what the answer is. A "return to the '60s" is not it. Going BEYOND the '60s--way, way beyond that era's consciousness--is what is needed. But we need to be less lofty, in a way. We need to do some practical, hard, strategic work, specifically on election reform: re-establishing the bottom-line conditions of democracy. The people have NO power right now, let alone the power to bring about revolutionary reform.

The '60s was not all glitz. But the glitz is what the corporate media promotes, and what gets highlighted in history books. Slogging down to summertime Alabama to help out with the SCLC voting rights campaign was not glitzy. It was hard. Working with poor kids in VISTA was hard work. Getting your head bashed in Chicago or Century City was not fun. The assassinations were awesomely traumatic. The continuing carnage in Vietnam was crazy-making. Talk about helplessness!

We did have hold of a dream, though--the dream of peace and justice. It was a beautiful thing--as awesomely beautiful as the assassinations were traumatic. And the Beatles burst upon us close upon the first assassination, of JFK. A few months later. I tend to think of them as almost the same event: the horror of that death, at the hands of ugly men who wanted war with Cuba and Vietnam, who thirsted for blood--followed close upon by "I Want To Hold Your Hand," this exquisite harmony among men, and the best thing men could be doing: singing.

I hope and trust that the young people of today will find their solacing song, their heartbeat, their beauty--out of the sorrow and grief they are suffering, for what America could be, and for what the greedbags and warmongers are preventing it from becoming. I hope the '10s are better than the '60s, with even better music and smarter people, who can bring about the profound changes that we could only dream of.

My advice: Again, be practical and strategic, for the moment. Get back your right to vote. There is a window of opportunity to do it. Do it NOW. And then the music will come.
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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:01 AM
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8. what a terrific post
thank you for putting my thoughts into words better than i ever could have...
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:05 AM
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9. Trippy
Dr. King and the Kennedys were executed?

That's pretty far out :tinfoilhat:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:50 PM
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16. when you control the stage, it's easy to remove actors...
they could have done it quietly, secretly, but did it in a public manner in order to...terrorise society. for bush today to accuse angry muslims of terrorism must cause hyena-like laffter among the gopigs who know who's pulling the strings (pigs like jack welch, rupert murdoch, the hunts family, oldbush and so on...)
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:53 AM
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5. I am always thankful we can not go back to an age
It would be nice if we could just drag some of the good stuff with us.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:14 PM
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10. The least recognized aspect of the Sixties....
is that the economy of the Fifties and Sixties was arguable the best it has ever been in this country. It started to take a dive in the late Sixties, due in no small part to the monetary drain of the Viet Nam war (one of the least discussed aspects of that war was how it tanked the US economy).

People feel the most free to take the big chances when they are in one of these two situations: They have a safety net under them based on being able to easily fill their basic needs (the Sixties), or they have absolutely nothing to lose (the Thirties).

Unfortunately, we are not able to provide the economic comfort zone that buoyed the Sixties. And sadly, the economic disaster of the Thirties may be visited upon us against our will. We are more likely to end up re-living the radical events of that decade, which were considerable, but born of desperation. I hope I'm wrong. I much prefer to re-live the Sixties.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:16 PM
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11. I was there...
60s to means big hair, tiger stripe cammies, and the Doors. It was not the pancea you paint (think race relations)

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:52 PM
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14. I was also there
and my white mother was a jazz musician.
I was in Chicago and saw the DNC riot.

I don't just think of Watts, or Oxford. I also think of Dr King
and the thousands of other brave souls who won
a big victory over a vicious and institutionalized racism
that while not dead, is not the virulent strain we had in the 50's midwest.

And if more of the same sacrifice is required... shoot me first.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:17 PM
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12. The brown acid could help.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:45 PM
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13. All good things, but we need to move foreword
The cons big thing is about going back, back to an idealized time that didn't exist. Let's take all of those ideals and incorporate them into a foreword movement. I don't want to stay motionless in the same era or return to another, life is about moving on.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:54 PM
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15. My point entirely, along with a willingness to take a beating
or get maced, hosed, set on by dogs, or be shot down, in the name of remaking America.
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