Why Do Democratic Representatives Support Bush when He

Is Wrong?

Why do they go against their constituency and agree with him?

Why does the Democratic Leadership refuse to Impeach this President for the War crimes, or Hell, just the Constitutional breaches This Administration has committed?

Why does anyone here expect that the "other half" who doesn't vote, will GET INVOLVED, when they see this Group-O-Thugs of the Day screwing them more and so-called "activists" cannot even get the Democrats to vote en masse to stop the bleeding?

Why do 45 Democrats side with the Repubs?
Why does Nancy keep saying "we will not."?

Who the heck is really not "getting it" here?

That made YOU say that to me?

I am not a rethug and don't live in a hole in the ground.

I asked legit questions.

Talking to spag68

But there are many horrible problems with our government that are far too bipartisan. It is a very far right wing government in the world spectrum, and it acts like that. The Democrats certainly are not too apt at challenging this right wing establishment because for the most part with few exceptions, they are a part of it.

Why should You get flamed for that?

Many horrible bipartisan problems ARE THE PROBLEM. Glad You see it and sorry you see it at the same time.

bipartisan is gang rape,

consensus of the rulers is the enemy of the ruled.

I look to moderates for the roots of evil. There have always been extremists. It takes a moderate to empower an extremist.

Not all Republicans are evil and not all Democrats are good. It's the extremists in the party that define the moderates, not the other way around. A moderate sees his or her responsiblity in serving in a different light than a true partisan. A true moderate believes they "must" serve their constituency equally and represent a middle view that will incorporate the ideas of a greater number of constituents. This is a much tougher role to play than a rabid partisan. The problem has been the domination of these moderates on both sides of the aisle. Once the moderates knuckled into the thuggery of Delay and Frist, the entire concept of moderates has been wiped out in Congress. To survive as a country, we must start making distinctions on who is really behind most of this "raping" of America. Sure, they are all culpable but some must have more guilt than others. It's the one's with less blood on their hands that we're going to have to live with if we're ever going to heal this nation and get back on track.

Let's get specific okay? The time is NOW. SPIT IT OUT.

You characterization and condemnation of the "moderates" in the political spectrum was overly harsh and innaccurate. It's with these "moderates" that we are going to have to deal with when we shift the political pendulum back towards center. Yes, they are cuplable but we can't remove everyone of them from office and we can't send them all to jail. It would be nice but it won't happen. So, it's best to attack the cancer and work to save the patient.

I think there should be five or six countries here. If one or two of them want to pursue the medievalist policies of the Republican party, I say let them... and the borders of my country will be open to their refugees.

I am sick of being "represented" by people who would give any voice at all to idiocy like the flag-burning amendment or the gay marriage ban. The Democrats should show up in clown suits and throw custard pies across the aisle when Republicans start talking like that.

While I agree with you that the Democratic party holds a lot of culpability, I disagree on the idea of national unity. Division from the worthless shits who run this country now and the worthless shits who keep electing them is the only way I can see surviving as a human being.

I am hesitant to throw out the proverbial baby with the bath water. There's always going to be factions that we don't agree with, no matter what type of system we set up. What's going on now is not politics, it's organized crime, plain and simple. If we were to dissect the country into political divisions, it wouldn't be long before each individual "country" collapsed into economic ruin. America has evoled into a vast economic ecosystem where in one part of the country is reliant upon another for it's survival. If we were to split it up, America would collapse and then what? There's a point that it becomes too expensive to fix a problem and easier and more prudent to start anew; I'm not sure we're there quite yet but you're right and you're not the only one sick of it. Maybe I'm just tied to the nostalgia but I would hate to see America fall so easily after such a short amount of time. There must be a way to resolve these issues peacefully and still keep the country intact.

of the economic ecosystem you reference will spell the demise of an ecosystem I am much more fond of, that of the planet I was born on, Earth. America is tied together by interstate highways. If we can't all get off of gas and start pursuing sane social and economic policies, I would hope that some of us might. Then the traditions that you cherish will at least be upheld in some places. The USSR's collapse didn't lead to failure in all the former Republics; instead, some succeeded while others plunged into darkness. I'm tired of California's treasure being plundered by people whose policies support medievalization, and who would appear as the Taliban they are if they did not have our treasure. Kansas comes to mind.

They're not going to wage a war with Republicans because they know they'd lose. Anything they do just seems to blow up in their faces so they're sitting on their hands . They're praying the rope will run out and the Pukes will hang themselves. But what they fail to understand is that the Republicans own the rope factory and they're running circles around the stationary Democrats; entangling them for their inevitable fall. Also Democrats are just as loyal when it comes to voting for business interests, they know who pays their campaign bills and that's why you see Dems voting for things like the Credit Card bill and tax cuts for the Reich. As for impeaching Bush, they don't have the votes to do it so what would be the point. Bush owns the press and so owns the minds of America, Impeachment will be painted as a cheap political ploy aimed at smearing this "Good-intentioned" President and they'll fold like they fold on everything.

They're not all rotten to the core but enough are that the Dem's can't form a strong enough front to affect any political outcomes that benefit progressive ideas or causes. The best example of this was the Alito nomination where a sudden outpouring of dissent spawned a filibuster attempt by John Kerry; only to find defeat by Democrat wankers. The leadership couldn't make a decision on what to do and they decided not to fight. I think this was one of the worst mistakes these idiots could have made, it really ripped the heart of our base, the party hasn't been the same since. Everyone has turned on each other and there is almost no unity anywhere in the party. We warned them they had better fight but they didn't want to; I believe the term was "keeping their powder dry" or some such nonsense.

Anyway, it was just weak assed politics that sometimes makes me wonder whose side these guys and gals are on. They're damn sure not on my side most of the time and their cheap opportunistic attacks have yet to score any ground. They know the truth but are either sticking their heads in the sand and playing , "I can't see you so you can't see me", or they're accomplices. I can't tell which but so far, that's the measure of what we have to work with. So don't be expecting any impeachments or anything even close to accountability coming from a large portion of these Dems. The only ray of light, and this is about as dim as you can get, is if Conyers gets to sit at the head of the Judiciary Committee. That's the only thing that keeps me even remotely interested in what's going on. But I know this is a pipe dream and that light at the end of a tunnel is most likely an out of control freight train. Our Government won't allow them to win an election.

…the Republicans own all the TV stations and newspapers.

for tat. The Democrats have a golden opportunity to grow the party and actually build something that could last for generations but instead, they hang Howard Dean out to dry as they constantly beat him like he's a pinata. Howard could really get things moving if given the right tools but with the DLC and other Right-wing Democrat organizations setting the course for debate, he hasn't been able to really capture lightening in a bottle... yet.

Remember the guy who gave the response to Bush after the SOTU address? The guy the DLC said would give a boost and connect with middle America? Remember that guy? No? And neither does middle America. What I can't tell is if they're really just inept or if they're just there to stall us and make us think we can't win. For the life of me, I can't figure it out.

Dems are always on the defense. Putting out fires. Airing soundbites in response to rovian attacks. We need to turn the tables, go out for a super-strong offense, and not let ourselves be distracted by their attacks. Put THEIR asses on the defense and keep them there - just as they've done to us all this time.

Come on Dem leaders - time to come on full force and never look back. Charge ahead. And not just with attacks on the right - tell truth, yes, but come out with a positive message that can't be silenced. Plaster it everywhere, and do not give the thugs a chance to get a word in edgewise. It's time to unite this country and heal.

the Dem leaders aren't the problem. Reeds a good guy, he really is. He's not a Nazi like Frist or Delay but he's a pretty good leader. Frist and Delay don't have much to juggle on their side of the aisle. They have slimy, greedy, money-hungry business types as one caucus and slimy, greedy, money-hungry religious hucksters on the other. Evils easy, that's why they do it. However, Reed doesn't have much of a whip to crack so the force of the Democratic response is factionalized. All in all, he's done a real good job but his weak-assed showing on the Alito hearing was just pathetic. He had cards he could have played but didn't and that was a hugh!1! frickin mistake. But other than that, he's a solid fellow. Nancy's doing a good job too but her job is exponentially harder because the number of factions grow as the number of people increases. People give her a bad wrap sometimes, they really do but some times she does deserve it. She's got her head down running the plays she's laid out but she needs to look around a little sometimes. I'm not talking in Congress, she needs to find out where we are on somethings. I can't tell if she thinks we're just stupid or she's mad at us for booing her a few times. Oh well, she'll get over it.

No, the real problem is with the factions in the party that are either getting paid to fuck up our offense or they're they're just evil. I can't tell which. My guess... it's the money.

Harry Reid.

a simple mistake is all. Thank you for the correction.

I thought he could do it. The Corporate media did not like his voice and killed him with a very particular thing we all know about.

I think you know more than you think. Fuckers are playing a game. They WILL LOSE. Big time.

and quite marvelous, if you ask me. I love Dean, don't get me wrong. But you have to give them credit for that hit. They really knew how to play that one. I mean, FUCK! They assassinated him right on prime time, baby. It was amazing how well everything worked. Within hours, Rove had every political pundit playing that tape over and over and over again and making fun of it. Shit, if one of our guys did that to the Repubs, we'd have made him a god too. (Well, maybe not, some of us don't take to breaking the second commandment) It was viscous, it was evil and it was perfect. The fall of Howard Dean will forever go down in history as the greatest dirty political hit ever in the history of our country. It was baseless, groundless, nonsensical and down right rotten and yet I'm still amazed by the almost artistic execution. You have to give Rove credit, he really is a great evil bastard.

Rove is nothing but a dirty traitor.

The Corporate Media played it for money.

To keep their TV personalities in their cushy million dollar homes.

USA = rich fucks who want to stay that way!

RICH FUCKS, (Who may or MAY NOT BE Bush employees) continue this saga...

I was simply marveling at the almost military precision in which this hit was pulled off. Admiring Hitler's blitzkreig attacks as a stroke of military genius is not condoning any of the evil he did. To be able to do something like pulling the rug out from under Howard is not an easy task. It takes a well-oiled hit squad to execute an attack like that over something so trivial and human.

How do we take the MEDIA away from the Money Hogs and give REAL NEWS of it back to the People?

I think this:

Democrats need to speak the TRUTH, god dammit!! How many of the Republican leaders have been indicted or are under investigation for illegal, ILLEGAL activities?!? Delay, etc.

That is STEP TWO.

STEP ONE. Oh, how difficult this might be. THE WAR. The god damned Iraq War. 2500 American soldiers dead. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's dead. This War Must Stop. Yeah this is STEP ONE for ME. End the War. Yet Dems vote to extend.....WHY?

Money. In the Bible it says that the root of all evil is the love of money. Whether or not you believe in the Bible or not, no truer statement has ever been made. Boil Iraq down to brass-tacks ; money. Boil the War on Terror down; money. Boil the 2000, 2002,2004,2005,2006? election frauds down; money. Boil the Democratic Response to all things Bush; my guess, money, money, money, money. For them to just sit back and let this shit keep piling up, they either must be getting paid a fucking fortune or they just love the smell of shit.

It's hard as hell to get people to pay attention to important bills around here and get them to just write the letters and make the phone calls to maybe draw some media attention.

Then there's things like immigration, people in Congress have to deal with that kind of divisiveness on many issues. Just because DU thinks an issue should obviously go one way, doesn't mean it's that way in a particular district.

And of course, even when Dems do fight, DU either ignores it, ridicules it, or forgets it in 10 seconds anyway.

Bitching, on the other hand, DU excels at that.

:shrug: they are afraid to even burp for fear of being thrown out of office.