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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:17 PM
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Let it be known to whomever is holding the US Soldiers, We expect you to .
follow the Geneva Conventions in the treatment of US Soldiers held captive.

Question: Can the above statement be made publicly with a straight face after what has/is transpiring at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo?

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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:18 PM
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1. Surely no one in this administration . . .
Is enough of a hypocrite to have said that . . . ?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:19 PM
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2. Is this a real statement? eom
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:25 PM
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5. No not a real statement, yet.
But isn't interesting how these nitwits have put these soldiers lives at risk by not adhereing to the Geneva Conventions.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:19 PM
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3. Waiting for al Qeada to term them "enemy combatants."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:25 PM
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4. oh my.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:25 PM
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6. Nope. This admin has ruined what the Geneva Conventions
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 04:26 PM by babylonsister
have stood for all these years. All bets are now off. They'll reap what they've sown, except it won't be with their own blood.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:27 PM
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7. Their statement was something like "bring them back."
What the hell else can they say? Don't torture them the way we torture your guys?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:27 PM
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8. It's all about us, dontcha see
We're fools for talking about the Geneva Conventions when it's goddamn barbarians we are facing, dammit.

:sarcasm:
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:40 PM
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9. Yes,
Because what B*sh might do and what our soldiers will do can be two different things.

I always thought we should be concerned about an outside insurrgency - They don't live there, they have no interest about the consequences there. But if you lived there - whole nother story.

One thing about american soldiers - they protect their own. They always will.

And those are our kids out there right now. Not B*sh's. And they are, generally, pretty good kids.

I think almost all war is wrong. This more than others. But I have no doubt at all, that given the horror of war, our kids have more of a conscience than any other army ever assembled.

B*sh not whithstanding.

Those kids need to be brought home right now!!!

Joe


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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:41 PM
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10. Let it be known to whomever is holding the US soldiers:
It would be a bold and honorable descision *if* you would follow the Geneva Conventions and treat our soldiers better than we have treated yours. What better way to illistrate the war crimes that bush* has committed in Iraq and against her citizens and show him to be the lying pig that he is.

The world is watching.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:51 PM
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22. Now THAT would be something to behold....
no better way to show that Bush is the barbarian than by treating US military captives humanely.

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Preening Fop Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:48 PM
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11. Many US Soldiers Will Be Disappeared In the Years To Come.
Over the next 40 plus years of pillaging Iraq,
Just another statistic to be downplayed by the
Compassionate Conservative Republicans.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:52 PM
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12. The reason for not having the Conventions
in the first place will be so the US does not have to define or legitimize the enemy. This allows the fog that allows the rape of Iraq. The soldiers are of NO concern to Bushco. It was not to protect soldiers committing war crimes but to protect the lawless hand of the administration.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:59 PM
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13. PATRICK -
It happens in all wars, it is nothing special about this one, not at all.

But this time, we started it.

Only a fool starts a war. And only an idiot thinks there is a winner.

Those are our kids, dude.

Joe

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:09 PM
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14. The real culprits holding American soldiers = the war profiteers
Dick captured the troops and turned them ALL over to his gang. If we don't keep paying, they don't get food and water.

Get to the root of the problem - Dick Cheney working for the good of the corporation. He set the troops up and he set up the violations of Geneva that will cause them great horrors from an enraged people.

Drag him outta the bunker and send him to the Hague.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:17 PM
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15. There are no words to convery how right I think you are!!!
Everything Eisenhower said was true.

They don't give a shit about your kids. They never did.

The war insured the results.

Yep, drag them outta the bunker alright.

Joe
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:28 PM
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16. If the worst thing
that happens to these brave young men is to have panties placed on their heads and humiliating pictures taken of them, then I, for one, will be thrilled. Unfortunately, having seen the decapitation videos, I am afraid for their ultimate fate.

Angela, praying for the troops.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:32 PM
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17. Are you implying that's all that happened at Abu Ghraib?
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:39 PM
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19. I'm not "implying" anything
I am stating that our troops are not in the habit of hacking the heads off of our ememies and broadcasting it to the world. Al Queda is, and from all indications, that's who's holding them.

Clear enough?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:37 PM
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26. Umm our troops killed people at Abu Grahib.
The things they did to the Iraqis consisted of rape, beatings, suffocations, etc. I hope that isn't what you're wishing on the kidnapped troops..
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:42 PM
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21. yep i'm sure those men in Abu Ghraib that died
must have been gotten a massive infection from the panties or maybe they were allergic to flashbulbs, i dunno know

violence begets more violence, brutality begets more brutality

I am also in fear for their lives, if our soldiers are tortured, it will be at least partially our fault. Who knows what would have happened had we prepared our soldiers properly for their assignments of guarding prisoners, and the B*sh WH didn't show blatant disregard for international treaties as an example.

Enjoy your stay at DU :hi:

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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:58 PM
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23. Not to make excuses....
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 06:00 PM by Postman
but have they decapitated any uniformed US military personnel? I don't think so.



As far as I can tell, they have decapitated some captured "civilian contractors" who entered Iraq looking to make a fast buck.

Not that it isn't outrageous but they also are not uniformed (i.e. a defined "enemy") military personnel.

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:35 PM
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18. The rude pundit had an excellent column on this.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 05:38 PM by lectrobyte

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com

Two Captured American Soldiers and the Implied "What If":

Chances are, maybe even by the time you read this, the two American soldiers, captured by Mujahideen Shura Council in Iraq, will be dead, probably in some horrible way, probably with their bodies dumped like all the horribly murdered Iraqis in the blood and gore-strewn landscape that are the markers of Iraqi liberation. The Rude Pundit can't help thinking, though, about the implied "What if" of the capture, on the field of battle, of American soldiers, prisoners of war, if you will.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 05:42 PM
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20. I would hope they would be anyway
The argument as gone that other countries don't follow the Convention, so why should we. It was wrong for us. It will remain wrong for anyone else.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:24 PM
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24. Rude Pundit Tackles This Very Issue Today
Go to his site and check out his comments. As usual, no one does it better......
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:33 PM
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25. I'm just waiting for the Bush regime to start with this.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 06:35 PM by Brigid
But once they do, how can we laugh about it when the situation is so serious? Does the White House think the Geneva Convention is so "quaint" now? :grr:

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 07:01 PM
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28. "kidnapped troops"
If the US is at War why are these troops not being called POWs? The US is not "at War" in Iraq. The US is in an Occupation mode. This is why these troops were "kidnapped", not captured.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:39 PM
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27. Nora O'Donnell seems quite concerned. Funny, she never mentions the DEAD
and MAIMED soldiers......
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