Water powered torch, water powered car, Fox News, congress

involved, accepting any and all apologies from the peanut gallery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkbazzqVW9M&search=water%20torch

You know what i mean, i'll be watching you. :nuke:

Electrolysis requires energy input.

Recombining Oxygen and Hydrogen releases energy.

Due to unavoidable losses, energy received is less than energy invested.

Thus, the method costs more energy than it can ever generate.

Ah, ye seekers of perpetual motion, take your place with the seekers of alchemical gold.

for the electrolysis during the day, then use the gases in fuel cells at night, and you have a pretty efficient closed, off the grid system.

This is being done in a test house. It was featured on This Old House a few weeks ago.

Yes, you have to put more energy in that you'll get back. However, where you get that energy can be controlled, too.

just be careful of the hydrogen!

move. Period... and we all know that it moves quite nicely.

where the energy comes from.

Bottom line, perpetual motion doesn't exist.

But what the hey. Invest in it, get rich, and tell me you told me so.

think about it, what in the hell would the Pentagon want a Hummer that runs on this technology for if it takes more energy to run it than it is worth?? I suppose nuclear reactors don't work either cuz you have to put more in than you get out....

So perpetual motion doesn't come into it.

Edit: With that said, I'll believe this crap about a new H2O gas when I start seeing peer-reviewed papers on it.

it's pretty interesting.

Denny Klein said a "unique" electrolysis process and the car can run exclusively on water.

If so, that would be the ticket! Let's hope so!

challenge?? Look here:

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/Low%20Voltage.html

I found a patent (US4184931) by Inoue that claims pulsed electrolysis
with KOH electrolyte produces 25% increase in gas output with the gas
moisture (=electrolyte vapor) content reduced five times at the same
gas output level. I consider this a very good development, because I
have had lots of problems with foaming and electrolyte vapor while
running my small engines on oxyhydrogen (practically straight DC).

"Our technology centers on the ability to generate a unique type of hydrogen/oxygen gas mixture (a "unique gas", which we call "Aquygen™" gas) on demand from a lightweight, compact machine that uses the water electrolysis process as its underlying technology basis.

This unique gas is infinitely stable until it comes in contact with a select target media. Then it sublimates, causing a molecular surface exchange of certain elements, reacting with such excitation as to cause temperatures of up to 10,000° F, the temperature of our Sun's surface, which is currently the limits of our ability to measure."

"Gas: Hybrid Hydrogen Car: The prototype vehicles received a net increase in horsepower and averaged an increase of 23 to 51 percent in miles per gallon with only minor vehicle modifications."

http://hytechapps.com/

"His patent application number is: 20060075683 and can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/np2hn "

Lots of electricity.
They don't make a secret of that.