Did Bush and co. "fail" in Iraq?

-Look at the dept. of defense budget.
-Look at corporate profits.
-Look at the split in the democratic party due to support/opposition to the war.

Before you make a judgment on failure or success, you need to know what the goal is, right? Just saying.

But then the media whores are hiding it from the public.

lied to get us there. :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

They failed when they made the decision to invade Iraq.

Next question? :eyes:

I'm just saying, a lot of people think when the efforts in Iraq go bad, it's a defeat to the administration. In my opinion, they don't give a shit about democracy or a new Iraqi government or anything of the sort. Just green, green and more green $$$$$$.

there is a transcript available. I dont know if there is, or a video of it.

He pretty much summed it all up.

Msongs

can you sing?
www.msongs.com/vocalistwanted.htm

from a corporate standpoint; it's been a huge success, it was supposed to be the perfect
society, a democracy with no regulations to contaminate it's beauty, now there is black sludge
dumped in rural parts of Iraq threatening the water table, I think many only saw short term
windfall profits, but the long term costs, financially and politically for the US will be
enormous.

Perhaps the "corporate success" will only be short term. Though I dunno... as long as we keep FIGHTING someone is going to have to get those juice weapon/maintanance/truck driving/etc contracts, right?

and we will have to pay to rebuild Iraq, we will have to pay to clean up the oil swamps
and we will have to make reparations to those we have harmed. Other countries have been
held accountable after wars and our turn is coming.

I bet the people responsible would not have to pay a dime. The future government would have to pay the bill while the current admin. officials and all of the corporate big-shots who made millions will get to live it up.

I guess my main point with all this is to remind people the big picture. In the end, it's all about corporate profits... need to remember that. What did President Dwight call it again? :(

or what the progressives said about selfish government attitudes: "You shall not crucify mankind
upon a cross of gold." Yes, TeamBush will be well away by that point, we will be left paying
the tab.

It's destroying our military, morale and personnel-wise (since no one wants to enlist now). It's being financed by China and Japan, who already are very weary of U.S. debt. And the biggest irony of all, this was a war that was supposed to scare the rest of world to death of American military supremacy but it's having the opposite effect - 3 years into this occupation and we're no closer to establishing order or stability than when we entered. The Paper Tiger U.S. military machine.

or even the goals of freedom for the Iraqi people, it was a corporate oil plunder.
That's why they never used the right number of troops or the right equipment or the right
anything. This is not a war but an occupation.

just like he failed at everything he's tried.

Crime doesn't pay.

:)

weapons & medical procedures testing facility; i remain unconvinced that it was even setup to succeed...if it were to succeed, we would have been coming home in the 6wks, to 6mo's that rumsfeld alluded to.

it has all been a lie.

there can be no success in such matters where civilian politicians with huge stock portfolios top heavy with defense stocks. there is no money in peace. bombs, rockets & bullets are all things that need to be replenished via exorbitant, no-bid bush/crony contracts

if you consider that a success, then i guess you do

robbing for well heeled corporate execs to have more, while these people live on a level of
sophistication resembling the native american indians on the frontier in the 1800's. I hope
this is reviewed before the UN.

It was never meant to succeed, that's what I was trying to say. Getting the heck out of there should be the top dem priority...

our troops found on the way to Baghdad? "leave it behind. do not secure it. go on to bagdahd..."

disbanding the army sending them home with their weapons!?!? who the hell does he think he is? grant at Appomattox?

these are the same guys that kept saying they were cold blooded killers. and to prove their fatal error in this loss of blood & treasure...they have given them every means they will ever need to mount whatever insurrection they so desire

what folly that? as our guys & gals are being blown up by the very same munitions they could have accounted for when rumsfeld had the administrative responsibility to do so. the man, rumsfeld, is remiss in every duty to our troops & this nation, and bush is too lame to notice the difference unless of course he is in agreement...it was a match made in hell from the Gitmo imo

doomed to failure is putting it mildly, never intended to succeed to light a statement here; it is not enough to say this admin is merely stupid (i do not buy that i say they know precisely the sorrow they bring the world...there's big money in sorrow & duress by the way), they are nothing short of nefarious in their words, acts & deeds

Welcome to DU, jjrjsa :toast:

$20 per barrel when he took office, $70 per barrel now. Exxon and the Saudi royal family, his base, are most pleased.

Well played, sir!