Malloy is laying it into Kos - - big time!

I've been a lurker there for years but I have to say I agree with Mike on this one.

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discussions on his site.

a petty dictator. He's purged people off his site too. It was the word purge that got me. And he's dissed hippy dippy war protesters and feminists as well.

He can be a buttheaded assclown at times. And then his subsequent explanations generally make things worse and dig his hole alittle deeper.

He just made some comment about avoiding Louisiana too because of an abortion ban law. But damn it, there are people who still need help down there!

No room for (n/t)

Nothing like a paranoid delusional radio host in heat. He and Rush can start a club.

of heat for believing the world was round when everyone else thought it to be square. It is people who question all possibilities that produce, not that ones that sit and believe the status quo?

:shrug: just sayin :shrug:

...of the people who still think the earth is flat.

Actually the ones who are criticizing others for asking questions, are the flat world phanatics...

explained by the * and his ilk. Those who believe the story we've been given are not paying attention, IMHO.

as soon as you answer all the unanswered questions, and not a moment before, then you can call me a flat-earther.

Cows. Angry, mutant cows. We have PROOF!

Those if us who believe differently will happily be quiet.

Until then, you can try to shut us up.

Or you can deal with it.

I really don't care one whit about what you think if all you have to offer is insults to those who think differently than what makes you feel comfortable in your bubble world of easy and comfortable explanations provided to you by those who have benefited most from that horrible day.

And why does your opinion mean more than mine?

Every 'fact' you get I could get a 'fact' that opposes it, so it really necessary to call out people that are basically on your side.

i wont tell you that I think people like you are what makes them able to pull shit like 911 over on us, cause its just my opinion.

:puke:

What's being said?

www.airamericaradio.com

I almost always agree with Malloy.

Is it too much to ask that the OP include more info?

Remember the "ban" on election fraud posts? I do.

...as it has been since 2002 at http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/

I don't care too much for KOS, but my god is Malloy a shrill and bitter old man.

I'll bet on KOS.

You have lost ur friggen mind...Mike will tear his arse up...

:hi:

:7 :pals:

He's a truthteller without a personal agenda and he would roll right over Kos. Malloy is somewhat of an acquired taste, but he is a hero is my eyes because he doesn't care what others say about him--he continues to speak out.

:patriot:

But then most here know that.

I'm getting a 'server error' message.

He's being co-opted by a corporate batch now. No more "grassroots, netroots"

I don't go there as often anymore so I hadn't caught that.

edited for stupidity:
I mistook DNC for DLC. Is there something wrong with the DNC I'm not aware of?

they are part of the Washington power establishment!

DKOS is nothing but a huge banner for the Democratic Party.

And even if you are a Democrat, that doesn't mean you stand with the Party as an advertisement for it! You fight it and change it and act as a progressive and left wing person to bring your ideas INTO the Establishment, not become PART OF IT !!

It is front paged right now. NDN and the NPI new media and new Democrats. They are/were part of the DLC, maybe not as much now, more of a PAC as it is listed at the DLC.

I am a big banner for the Democratic party because the other one is destroying our country.

I think you do harm when you don't know the difference between think tanks and the party itself.

Their speakers will be DLCers Hillary Clinton, Mark Warner and Tom Vilsack.

http://www.ndn.org/annualmeeting

Become puppets of what Hilary Clinton or Russ Fiengold want us to say...

Well then Democracy goes to hell.

little things like this began to occur. I have to admit i kinda felt this would happen to my favorite blogs - it was just a matter of time. He's gotta play with the big boys now I guess.

Can a party filled with individuals constantly "speaking their mind" defeat a party working together toward a common goal?

http://www.pollyticks.com

He works with Simon Rosenberg's New Politics Institute, part of the New Democrat network.

n/t

In this day and time and NSA and FCC guidelines, they have to really toe the line.

That said, Kos does not fit anyone's pattern, he is pretty much his own person.

yeah, big bro is watch'n, YOU!

He beat the "forbidden" election fraud drum, too. I'm a poster over there and I have to say...when he forbid election fraud posts, I was stunned. WTF?

Sounds like next he will tell everyone else what to think... What about the war drum, can you speak of that, or is it the next to go???

Yep, it's his site.

And if people don't like it, they can leave.

But he might want to be careful that he doesn't end up sitting in an empty room listening to crickets churping.

I did not see the post, but I know Skinner is cautious also. We live in dangerous times.

Yes, it is Kos's blog. I think he enjoys irritating people, which is his right also.

However, I really do see the need for caution about the theories.

the fame and money potential goes to their heads almost always, unfortunately.

Well I dont find any need whatsoever to visit his site...In fact is is kinda obsolete imo.


Just because something is popular...dont make it good.

Kos garners far more attention then I think he deserves...but thats perhaps because he is kinda, plastic to me. But he does debate well on TV..So I will catch the clips of him online...

It's the combination of all the people on his site that makes his site interesting. I've seen Conyers, Feingold and Kerry there, among others. It's not his glowing personality or his insightful commentary that attracts so many, that's for sure. It's a good gathering place. I thank him for providing it, but just about anyone could have put the thing together.

He's not plastic to me, but he is this sort of old world, bull headed, slightly sexist without knowing what the big deal is, sort of person. But mainly he's just a kid in his 30s who thinks he knows more than he does. Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't.

The active membership dwindled drastically because of excessively controlling policies. The message boards used to be incredibly lively, but now they consist of the massive zillion-post threads, because no new threads can be started on anything that has been remotely touched on in another thread. I haven't even looked at the message boards at SC for over a year, though I still go there to read the front page articles.

But in practice, any questions about the events of 9/11 will result in troll ratings that often lead to users getting banned from posting any comments or diaries on the site.

YES PEOPLE WHO DISCUSSED THE NIXON CROOKS WERE TIN FOIL HAT NUT CASES AS WELL..

so how are real conspiracies exposed??

people discuss ...

people talk

people compare facts

and do remember this..it only takes two people to commit a conspiracy!

it takes many to unravel one!

so who took the put options on my airline..and why did this administration not put out a state dept warning to flight crews in this country as required by law when they were sitting on over 50 intelligence warnings 9/11 was going to occur????????????

why did Jeb bush sign an executive order to start martial law 4 days before 9/11
and not one warning went to flight crews in this nation??????????

why were investigators pulled off a mafia guy in NY who was spilling the beans about the eventual leaders of the attacks..who were sitting in our prisons??

read 9/11 coverup by peter lance..you may get some answers about Patrick Fitgerald as well!

fly

its real slow (?DOS attack?). In any event, if he is getting co-opted by the DLC and he starts censoring things that people in the community think are important - the community will disintegrate and go somewhere else (like here).

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:P

P.S.
I'm rubber, you're glue . . .

He is a SOB as well and I love him for that.. It takes someone like that to stand up against the WH machine these days or have you not noticed?

he just tells the truth, I guess some throw up at just the mention of someone telling the truth.

has to say when they launched a war that has killed hundreds of thousand of Iraqis and over 2500 of our people? Why? It does not make sense to say everything else is true when this whopper is such a lie...

Bush regime tells us?

We are not to talk about election fraud that is so obvious....
...the last 3 elections that were nothing more than fraud



I tried to get some of what he was saying. I hope somebody did better than I did.

as a flight crew with one of the airlines involved..and a lifetime of flying..i want that little guy in a room by myself..and i want him to answer the questions i was in a round table with one of the 9/11 commissioners..and that fucker didn't have the guts to answer my most pertinent questions about that day ..and the events..and the failures of this administration!

nor would BoB Kerrey answer one of my husbands questions...

so Markos what is it..you want to cover up the failures of this administration and the fraud perpetrated by the bogus 9/11 commission on the American people?????????????

is that what you call honest Markos????????

Markos is just as much a fraud as the 9/11 commission was and is..

what a disgrace!

i will forever boycott markos and Kos..

if they do not stand for truth and the fight for truth..fuckem!

fly

may i ask what you and your husband asked bob kerrey
was this a personal meeting you had with mr kerrey
and what wouldnt he answer/what was his response or reason for not answering

just very interested in what the insiders are saying (and not saying) when directly asked
thanks so much

Univ of Tampa..were were the only ones ( 15 of us) allowed to ask questions...

I was seated approx 2 feet from Bob Kerrey ( or less)..i was right in his face..

i took the picture of my flight graduation in 1970 at the age of 19 of me getting my wings..

i held that picture in Kerrey's face..and in the picture is a pic of the man who started my airline..sitting next to my mother in the audience..

i said the two most important things to that man was the safety and security of his crew members..and his passengers..i then said that wonderful man is now rolling over in his grave!

i then said that the safety of my passengers has always been the most important priority of mine..and i told him that i was chosen by supervisors and my co-workers and others in flight personal and voted in as 2001 Flight attendant of the year for the New York base...

i then told him i always believe 2+2 = 4 ..and i said i could not reconcile this administrations official story of 9/11 with the training and my professional experience.

i said it was the most massive security failure in American history by the very people in this white house who are charged with that security.

1.I THEN ASKED HIM WHY JEB BUSH WAS NOT PUT UNDER OATH by the (/11 commission to ask what he new and when he knew it ..and why Jeb felt compelled to begin the process of Martial law when i as a flight crew was given no warnings ..not by the FAA and not by the state dept.

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER..

2.I asked why the FAA man who tape recorded the air traffic controllers and then destroyed the tape was not in jail..as it is against the law to destroy any evidence in any crash on our soil. And why he was not put under oath by the 9/11 commission

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER

3. i asked why Marvin Bush was not called in front of the 9/11 commission and put under oath and asked about his ties with the security companies for a couple of the airports and the catering of one of the airports.

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER

4. i asked why no one was charged for the "put options " of my airline or the other airline involved..and why to date no one has been brought forth who sold those put options under oath to find out exactly who purchased those "put options"

and i asked why no one was fired for not notifying ..1. airlines and 2. the flight crew in this country about an un-precedented purchase of "put options"

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER

5. i asked why no one was fired for not notifying Norman Minetta secretary of transportation....about the seriousness of the intelligence this administration had of warnings of the possible hijackings of major airlines to be used in a terrorist attack ..

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER

6. i asked why Sibel Edmond's was not allowed to speak or testify in public about what she knows..even though the 9/11 families walked her directly into the commission begging for her to be allowed to testify!

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER


my husband then asked as Bob Kerrey was trying to escape...my husband went off on him..and said wait one minute..he said i have questions...

and my husband very calmly said..our family always knew the risk my wife took when she went to work..but he said we always had confidence that we would get answers about any accident she might be in ..truthfully and honestly..

he said we < now > all know that is not the case.

he said we now all know, in our family, that if gwbush is president, all you will get is cover up and bullshit..and complicity and utter failure for the security of anyone who goes up in the air for work.

my husband then asked why, with F16's flying over the Pine-lands of NJ ..within a 2 minute range of the WTC, why were they not deployed to the NYC area..

and he asked with Atlantic city within minutes of NYC by the f16's based there... and it being the headquarters of the FAA, no one was deployed or even called and sent to NYC or the WTC

he also asked why no planes were deployed by norad from McGuire AFB

BOB kerrey again refused to answer...

his answer.. for not answering was ..that the commissioners were not going to make any statements and were going to let the 9/11 commission report speak for itself.

the room was filled with college professors, and PH D's and news media..and yet not one word was in the papers the next day or any other day..

and i will tell you the response i got when the round table session was over was tears..anger..frustration from all who were there...

and most were down right furious!

but not a word in the media..


hope that answers you..and i am sure i left allot out..it was quite tense..and it was very emotional for me..as those were my co-workers who died that day..it could have been me..it could have been my son on a pass..it could have been anyone of my family..i always treated my passengers like they were my family..and i always thought of getting them off any means possible if there was ever a problem..

i have lived through 3 serious emergencies..i know what one minute in the air with serious problems is like..one minute is a lifetime..

my co-worker Amy Sweeney called in the emergency 34 minutes before the first plane hit...

that is more than a million lifetimes...

and her children will never get the truth..and so many facts were kept from her husband..

that is called lying..

if they lie once..what keeps them from lying again and again and again..we have all seen and experienced all the lies from these son of a bitches...

and if Kos or anyone thinks it is unimportant to discuss...then fuck them...

and markos..if you read this..i will hold you just as responsible for the lies of this complicit administration...

and Markos..i am aware you were (ha wereeee) a republican..i guess the leopard never changes it spots does it??

what a disgrace Markos!

fly

i just got online and hadnt checked if you had answered until now

and im most especially sorry for your pain and anguish
to be that close to someone who knows much more than they are willing to admit must be an astounding feeling
ot - kerrey is also the one who invited john mccain to give the commencement speech at the New School that caused such a ruckus

anyway
thank you for taking the time to explain all you and your husband continue to try to do in the fight for any truth

may i ask if anyones questions were answered
i wonder why there were a few of you allowed to ask questions but then were only given the standard non answer of reading the commissions report

i know that there are a lot of people who call themselves democrats or progressives but when it comes to really supporting getting the whole truth - many retreat into preferring ignorance or outright dismissing the horrid possibilities (that we know are true)
and sadly the further in time we get away from 2001 the further we get from uncovering what really went on

may i also ask if you have a 9/11 book that you recommend
i saw one or two at my local progressive bookstore but wasnt sure which one was most rooted in evidence and fact

thank you

ITS THE BEST I HAVE READ AND FOR ME THE CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH..or the most factual..that i have assessed..also "Crossing the Rubicon"
i still have many on my bookshelf i am trying to get through...and its summer..so i have promised myself to take the time to read them all!!

as for answering questions at the round table we were at..there were two other people there ..answering questions about the occupation in Iraq..

i was well prepared for BobKerrey..and i tutored my husband for 2 days so he would be able to ask intelligent questions of Mr. Kerrey..as i knew i would be limited in what i could ask...

my husband was pissed that kerrey didn't answer me..so pissed he is so calm normally he got very emotional..( very rare for my hubby!!)..but angry emotional..and it was not missed by those in the audience!!
as we were approached by everyone when it was over..and we were thanked by everyone there!

i think the overall reactin by the entire audience was anger at the refusal to answer very pertainant questions...

most we shocked by the fact Jeb began the process of Martial law 4 days before 9/11 and that he had signed an executive order ..most had no clue of that..

and that Jeb
had signed the full martial law on the morning of 9/11 before NY , NJ or PA or DC had done anything like that!

because he was prepared to!

i know its difficult for most americans to wrap their arms around their own government to be as evil as this administration..but time is running out for our democracy and our republic..and the fear i have is not from outsiders..it never was..its totally from those within our borders..and our government!

the time is coming that we either stand up in unison and take our country back..or ..or i just don't know what we will be leaving future generations...

i fear for my own children..and for the grandchildren i hope to have someday..

fly

do you have this posted on a blog or website anywhere?

I think it should be a post of its own, and also would like to
be able to forward it to sites like www.whatreallyhappened.com

Your account is fascinating, and informative..

I just receieved a PM from fly asking me to

"please don't post anywhere my stuff... "

So, I guess I had better not post anywhere near fly's stuff.

Hmmmm... and I thought this was a legitimate post, but now I wonder.

misunderstood my original pm...

fly

and compelling. EVERY word is the truth.

:hi: Absolutely a great post....

wouldn't answer your questions and the damn MSM didn't report it!!@#$%$#@ We are so damn screwed.:( They are ALL complicit! They ALL know what went down that day.

administration fought to have an inquiry. What president, with nothing to hide, would fight to prevent an inquiry into the matter? One would think that the president would be the one leading the charge into the investigation for an attack on one of our major cities.

conflict..financial conflict with the saudi's!

fuck little lord pissy pants ..he and darth vader cheney are criminals..period the end!

fly

stuff like this.. What is the problem with it? Are others afraid it makes the party look loony? Is that why I hear the censorship on this? There I go again asking so many questions.....:shrug:

through since the world changed on 9-11 and you aren't interested in having a real investigation into the biggest crime in our history? The FBI just confirmed last week they had no hard evidence OBL was involved in 9-11 which is why 9-11 is not on his list of alleged crimes.

And we shouldn't discuss this?????

and girls are in Iraq because they used this as an excuse. Many of them over there STILL believe they are over in Iraq because of 9/11. Many people in our country STILL believe 9/11 is why we are spending 300 million dollars a day in Iraq. I live in NY and I care a great deal everyday when I see fully armed police stationed on corners because of 9/11 and as I have to let them look through my bag when I get off the train.

NO DISSENT ALLOWED, enough to make :puke:

it's a freakin' problem, capiche ??????

:mad:

where we are today??

with NSA wiretapping, and an illegal war of lies..and our nation all but bankrupt?

and our security being nothing but a fucking joke??????????

what should we not discuss??

i thought this was the United States of America..i guess i am wrong...i guess you feel like what our ancestors fought for is just a fucking joke right??

i believe when any American gives up their right to discuss anything ..THEY ought to BE LOOKING TO RELOCATE TO another country..because i will go down fighting for the very right my family.. through generations fought for..and that is my right to discuss anything!

any where!~

ANYTIME..

FLY

You really sum up quite eloquently a lot of the same frustrations that many, many of us share. I have just about given up on DU, but I stay for posts like yours.

Then Malloy can allow whatever he likes.

Who the fuck is Malloy to bitch about what Kos puts on his own website?

Sid

If Kos allow comments about Malloy's radio show on his website, I'd say Malloy is more than justified in returning the favor on his radio show.

Our "ownership society" has really gotten out of hand when the only one allowed to criticize the policies and content of a media outlet is its owner.

Do you actually subscribe to this bizarre belief?

Are you from Argentina?

and I am. :hi:

mp3 of Mike Malloy Slamming left wing media outlets who censor 911 and BBV discussions (33mb)

OMG WTF I'M SO MAD!!!! AHHHHH!H!HH!H!H!H!!H!H!H!

:thumswaaaaaydown:

he lays out all the reasons why anyone in their right mind would be OUTRAGED.

remember... there is nothing health about being well adjusted to a sick society ;-)

:hi: babylonsister

Welcome to DU! :)

And THAT was an absolutely brilliant statement. And unfortunately one that is all too true, and that too many are falling victim to.

Malloy is one hell of a talk show host and has broguht more to light about this Evil, Murderous regime than most have dared to.

What exactly have YOU done?

:toast:

Its about time someone let the truth out about Kos' and who he really is.

Enquiring minds........

Cheers back ***

:toast:

I never suspected that Markos was part of the International Zionist Conspiracy. I guess you learn something new every day.

This is the same kind of self-censorship WITHOUT TRIAL similar to when the Republican party was taken over by fundamentalists and neocons.

Look, it's a simple concept.

Either prove that your detractors are COMPLETELY and UTTERLY WRONG with CITATIONS or else allow debate on the point.

And just caving to the "official" version is just inviting critics.

Maybe we all should. We have nothing to lose at this point.

He is a fellow Georgian. He is incredibly accomplished and passionate and intelligent (radio, national TV (CNN and CNNi), music business). Maybe Kos should listen the fuck up to someone with a lifetime of political and media and life experience.

Rant over.
Peace. CB

I understand the rationale behind its creation - having GD full of MIHOP/LIHOP and threads about charges at WTC 7 and cruise missiles into the Pentagon is not really a good focus. HOWEVER, the official 9-11 cover story as presented by the 9-11 commission is clearly unsatisfactory to a huge number of people, perhaps even a majority of people in many areas. Absolutely relegating any discussion of alternate 9-11 scenarios to the 9-11 ghetto is a shame. There should be a way of letting some of the more plausible stuff be discussed in GD. I know it would be tough for the mods to judge, but there are certain facts that we can all agree on: Bush had financial connections to the Bin Laden family and the Saudi royal family, he failed to act on 9-11, and exploited 9-11 to a degree that would only naturally arouse "reichstag" suspicions. Bushco had the motive and the wherewithal to commit that crime, and in any normal crime investigation, they would be a prime suspect.

Besides, too much wonkishness is almost as bad for GD as too much tinfoiliness...


As for Kos, it has been hopelessly DLC-ized forever anyway. Never had any interest in that joint. Malloy's boards are the only other place I ever post.

There should be a way of letting some of the more plausible stuff be discussed in GD.

See, here's the problem: That was tried. It failed miserably. The primary problem with the MIHOP mindset is that it views every single issue through the lens of that particular conspiracy theory. Thus, holders of that belief feel not only the need, but the obligation to inject their nonsense into every single discussion, whether it's relevant to their cause or not. They believe they are doing everybody a great service by doing this.

...and I don't hold to a particular theory regarding LIHOP/MIHOP or just incompetence, but I don't believe we got the whole truth, and it's too profound an issue to be relegated to a dustbin.

I still hope the mods will find some way to integrate some limited discussion of this stuff. Not swallowing the 9-11 report hook, line and sinker does NOT make a person a tinfoiler. It makes them a SENTIENT HUMAN BEING.

when they have been led to war on a lie... They figure nothing else is legitimate with this administration..

To assume that "Bush says so, it must be a lie" is exactly the same as assuming that everything he says is the truth. Both are wrong.

One story makes them crap and I think the war is the biggest story of all.. Ask how many would trust TO now? Ask how many would trust the WH now?

But it isn't fine to assume that everything said by an untrustworth person is actually untrue. You need to use your head and do your own research. This is why I can't deal with the MIHOP crowd. They simply assume that everything in the "offical version" of events must be a lie. Their standard of evidence is completely flexible, based on whether or not a particular piece of information conforms to their worldview. This is entirely the wrong way around.

is working for the bush regime, they have done much damage to us and this country, just dividing us all.

Even if you believe the official story about 9/11 is 100% true, why would you want to go around bragging as much considering all the damage the "9/11 Changes Everything" meme has visited on us?

...claim to believe the "official story" (in whatever way that term is currently being defined by the conspiracists) one hundred percent. I see DU posters being accused of it all the time by people who don't like having their pet theories publicly rubbished. Many of the MIHOPers appear unable to understand that disbelieving the "official story" does not imply automatic acceptance of whatever extremely unlikely scenario is being put forward by the MIHOP hive mind on that particular day, and that disbelief in the "official story" stems from exactly the same thirst for evidence and truth that precludes people like me from buying into MIHOP.

Are you talking to me or some straw figure behind me?

Not once and not ever.

Having legitimate unanswered questions about 9/11 is not equivalent to espousing MIHOP theories.

However, seeking to shut down all legitimate and rational questioning of the events of 9/11 is doing Rove's work for him.

is a totally different subject than what happened on and before 9/11.

I'm confused as to why you might think something that's 100% true should be kept quiet.

I'm not at all convinced that global warming is an irreversible, 100% man-made phenomenon. However, I support solar, wind, water and any other clean and renewable energy sources as well as conservation for a myriad of reasons, and I don't support burning fossil fuel at an increasing rate for a myriad of reasons.

In light of this, whether or not the Earth is capable of regulating its temperature with humans continually screwing with its tiny top layer of crust is simply of not much interest to me. The Earth may or may not be able to regulate its temperature within boundaries that are humanly comfortable under our current environmental pressures. I simply don't believe that anybody knows this answer with any certainty yet.

On the other hand, I'm not going to make it my life's mission to debunk those who feel that global warming is 100% fact because, either way, I completely agree with their overall energy agenda.

This is something I feel that the "questioning 9/11 is embarrassing" crowd could stand to learn.

Trying to shut down legitimate questioning of the event of 9/11 is doing Rove's work for him. Look what the "9/11 Changed Everything" meme has wrought: the Iraqi invasion and occupation, a state of never-ending warfare, a "Bush doctrine" of military pre-emption, a culture of authoritarian secrecy, an assault on our Bill of Rights, a crisis of Constitutional separation of powers, the alienation of most of former allies and the complete loss of our nation's credibility with the rest of the world. And that's just a partial list. Meanwhile, we simply haven't taken any of the obvious, concrete steps that would help to secure our nation against the threat of Muslim fundamentalist terrorism. What could possibly be the explanation for this?

Moreover, why would anyone want to spend their time propping up any meme that has had so much harm done in its name as the "9/11 Changed Everything" meme? Why would anyone seek to shut down all questioning of the basis of such a destructive meme -- no matter how rational the questions or how legitimate the concerns?

I get the impression that if tough questions are asked of your opinion, you might consider them illegitimate.

One of the traits I typically see among many CTers is a knee-jerk accusation that those who demand evidence and solid logic in support of theories or arguments are right-wingish. Since when is that true?!?

Btw, I think the vast majority of critical thinking progressives have the correct, science supported position about global warming. I doubt that they'd shy away from a debate with somebody who believes the pseudoscience that permeated the media for the past many years. There's a difference between engaging in authentic debate, and poisoning the well against your opponents. At this point, I think you are trying to poison the well.

who's going to get more democrats elected? Malloy or Kos?

'Nuff said. Malloy can say what he wants, Kos can dictate what he wants discussed on his site. If Kos is successful in helping to get more dems in office, then I don't care what he allows to be discussed. If he can succeed in getting the party to include more progressive voices and values, more power to him.

What I'm hearing there's nothing interesting over there anyway.

don't agree with you.

I don't believe your statistic.

There are 250 Million Americans / 52 weeks in a year. With 5 Million "unique" hits a week.

They're about out of "unique" hits... Aren't they?

As is seen here:

http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/c0607/46c07/46c07.asp&guid=

My math above is correct.

http://truthlaidbear.com/TrafficRanking.php

And here's a piece that claims 3.7 unique visitors.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0601.wallace-wells.html

Even at a third of that, if Mike Malloy had that kind of listenership, he'd still be on WLIB instead of the Satellite Sisters.

of election fraud??

so what would Markos say when Gore had his votes stolen again???????

oh don't talk about it..no discussion of our most basic rights to vote?? and have the votes counted??

Mike Malloy was dead on ..Markos is censorig..and for that i have no respect nor would i waste my time at his web site!

i want free discussion..without that there is no free society..period@

Mike Malloy i love you and you speak with me and for me!

I have the utmost respect for you and Kathy!

I know its damn frustrating Mike..it is for many of us..but i will not give up..and i will never give up fighting for truth..and to get these bastards out of our white house..and held accountable!~

for their crimes..their oh so many crimes...

a Mike Malloy loyal listener!

fly

Thats cool. It helps maintain credibility.

is truly disgusting!!!

:shrug:

:shrug:

is going on all over the place on the net, you just gotta watch out for it and still find a way to speak truth to power. :tinfoilhat:

During the 2005 trasnit worker's strike in NYC, Kos said he would not be covering it because it was a "regional issue".

As if fair labor standards are just regional issues, that have no effect on the whole of the labor movement. Any attempt to stifle a legal strike, by workers demanding fair pay, is NOT Democratic, and it is NOT liberal.

The fact that Kos can't grasp that concept shows me he is more interested in the big city cocktail party curcuit, than average workers tha used to be the bread and butter of the Democratic party. He is a reflection of the national Democratic party. They have all but abandoned worker's rights issues.

The ability to troll-rate diaries is widely abused by a small segment of little Napoleons who get off on it.

It hit home exactly how much of a clique it was, when they had a C-Span panel from their convention that basically just discussed and celebrated their little clique.

Just wondering.

Essentially if you are a true blue liberal, you aren't really welcomed there.

Oh you are welcomed there. Just sit down, shut up, and don't bring up anything "controversial" like election fraud, 9/11 commission lies, or rebuilding the labor unions.

So their readers know exactly what is acceptable there and what is taboo...

Just as any other provider of information can including blogs, forums or whatever. I don't have a problem with it at all. It's theirs to run as they see fit.

It doesn't mean I'll go there and I don't all that much simply because it doesn't give me what I look for...but, that's just a matter of personal taste.

If, for example, Huffington Post started having conservatives contribute columns from the likes of Coulter, O'Lielly or others, I'd quit going there. I have no say in their content, but I can express my displeasure in a variety of ways...one of those is not going to that site.

Kos can do whatever it likes even if it's working to become more widely accepted at the cost to its own integrity. It doesn't mean that anyone should support it by visiting or contributing.

Doesn't people have to be happy about it. Doesn't mean their choice of no-go topics is quite telling.

--never cared for the set-up over there and, after reading through this entire thread, I don't care for the little DLCer running it or the clique that is striving so hard to stifle any discussion of election fraud and what really happened on and around 9/11.

For an enlightening summary of the DLC mission, see their profile on RightWeb: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463
snippets:
In the late 1980s, DLC Democrats supported aid to the contras, applauded President Reagan’s "Evil Empire" rhetoric, and offered their support to those militarists calling for missile defense and rejecting arms control negotiations.. . .
Al From, Will Marshall, and the DLC leadership can rightly claim at least partial credit in moving the core Democratic Party platform closer to the DLC’s modernizing agenda, which stresses market-based solutions, an alignment with the military-industrial complex, and a distancing from the identity politics and bothersome demands of the “New Politics” constituencies that emerged in the late 1960s. . . the DLC/Progressive Policy Institute has also proved itself an effective shill for transnational Wall Street capitalists, although it faces competition in this role from the Republican Party and its array of affiliated policy institutes and think tanks. Such rightward leanings prompted the America Prospect’s Robert Kuttner to call the DLC the “Republicans’ Favorite Democrats.”

:hi:

I've noticed you still here after, what? two or three years?
do you ever check out our "old stomping ground"? I'm still selling there a bit but can't stand to read the forums. :toast:

I sell occasionally. Had some things up a few months ago. I checked in on the forums and almost fell asleep reading them. They have definitely changed! Those were some FUN days, weren't they?;)

Do you hear from any of the old gang? I really miss them. I lost touch with all of them. Heck, they may be members here for all I know. :)

I often wonder what the Bush lovers over there think NOW? We were right, they were wrong!:hi:

I think I told you she apologized early on and has written me a few times completely agreeing with us? other than that--no. I remember a couple over there who said they'd be the first to fight it if it looked like a permanent occupation --wonder what they're saying now? but I bet a lot of them would probably sing the same old song--they'd have a hard time admitting they were wrong. They were in denial then, I'm sure they still are. Some were frighteningly hard-nosed and mean.
But there was someone from there who introduced us to DU, remember? Captain something?