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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:43 PM
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Al Gore: what makes him so qualified to talk about global warming?
My SO has a 2000 mindset and has no clue. I'd love some positive affirmation to throw in his face!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:45 PM
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1. same thing that makes anyone qualified to talk about anything
years of study.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:45 PM
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2. if you see the film, it will explain that...
take the SO, offer a bribe or whatever- it's all in the film. he's more than qualified.
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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:52 PM
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8. Is there a preview clip anywhere on the web?
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 12:05 AM by celestia671
I'd like to see it, but is it going to be straight to DVD or in theaters first?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it!

http://an-inconvenient-truth.com/
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:35 AM
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39. That's not the official movie site. This is:
www.climatecrisis.net
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:52 AM
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42. I saw it in a theater- no clue about DVD...
I highly recommend you see it in a theater- makes quite an impact at that scale. Just force the SO to go...they will get something out of it one way or another- either they will be impressed or pissed, what better way to spend an evening?
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:47 PM
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3. He's been studying this for a while.....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:49 PM
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4. Science can be very complicated
But like anything... Spanish, quilting, horseradish... a little goes a long way. He's been fascinated by climate change since back in the day, and he's used his power as a senator and vice president to learn a lot about it.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:49 PM
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5. He should watch this Charlie Rose interview that is on tonight.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:06 AM
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16. He's in bed, but I'm listening. Thanks, P S! nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:50 PM
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6. He worked very hard to get the science right on this before
he agreed to do the movie. The movie was developed from a lecture tour he was doing on the subject that he had researched very thoroughly before putting it together into a program.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:03 AM
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15. and it shows....
....it's a pleasure to listen to a politician/citizen with a brain....I'm so tired of grunts and soundbites....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:31 AM
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25. Yes, he certainly proves you can be a southerner and well
spoken. I don't understand the appeal that Bush has because his stumbling all over English is supposed to make him appear like ordinary people or so they say. If I were a southerner I would be insulted. There are so many well spoken southerners out there, Jimmy Carter, Molly Ivins, John Edwards to name a few.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:19 AM
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35. I'm a well-spoken Southerner and I know that Bush is
from Connecticut, so he's no more than a phony to me.

:7
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:54 AM
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43. Yes, he is a phony and a liar, but it doesn't explain the
adulation that he gets from his electorate who have said that ordinary people like him because of his ordinary speech, because he sounds just like them. It comes across as humble or something like that. I can only assume that the southern drawl or Texas drawl he postures with is meant to appeal to southerners and not easterners or westerners.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:51 PM
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7. Obviously, the man does his homework. And we ALL should.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:54 PM
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9. Gore symbollically signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1998
Even though the Senate would not subscribe to it.

The main blocking point to acceptance during the Clinton administration was the Senate, who wanted more developing nations to sign on.

If Gore would have been allowed to be President as he was elected, the U.S. would now be a participating member of the Kyoto Protocol.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:57 PM
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10. I think what makes him qualified
is that he's taken the trouble to educate himself. It's true that he's not a scientist, but really that doesn't matter. Even people who are scientists only got that way largely because they took the trouble to educate themselves. Beyond a bachelors degree, it's largely up to the student to succeed or fail. Advisors help, but the onus is on the student. Those with initiative will likely make it. Those who lack it most probably will not. Gore is not a scientist, but I respect the fact that he has taken the trouble to teach himself about environmentalism and to pass on that information to others. If he had done this when he was 25 or 30 and applied to graduate school, I'll bet he'd have been accepted on full fellowship with no problem. Go, Al!

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:57 PM
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11. That is ONE of the biggest problems we
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 11:58 PM by serryjw
now have on many subjests.....no one wants to listen to experts. It is much easier to listen to talking heads that have no idea what they are saying. Does a PhD and decades of expertise count for anything any more? None of us are experts on many subjects but we all do a ton of reading from people that should know and are not influenced by politics.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:00 AM
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13. My husband's problem is he hasn't liked Gore since 2000. It
has nothing to do with Gore but everything to do with my SO's perception.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:03 AM
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14. He has to get over the messenger
and listen to the message.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 03:20 AM
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31. Take him to see "Inconvenient Truth"
He will change his mind on both Gore and climate change.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:41 AM
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41. I saw it on Friday...
As I sat and watched Al Gore assimilate scientific data and arrive at reasoned conclusions, I shook my head in shame and disgust that he wasn't permitted to take up residency in the White House. He was clear and articulate, reflective, introspective and, at times, funny. Dare I say? He was anything but "wooden."

To see and hear him then to think about what currently squats in the White House caused me great anguish and acrimony.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:35 AM
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27. A PhD counts for something
but it certainly doesn't make anyone an expert.

The WH website has this to say about presidential Science & Technology advisor Dr. John Marburger: "He is credited with bringing an open, reasoned approach to contentious issues where science intersects with the needs and concerns of society."

In other words, sweep global warming under the rug and destroy ANWR so we can drive our Hummers, etc. etc. etc.

I'll take Al Gore's advice even though he doesn't have the little certificate hanging on the wall.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:58 PM
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12. Tell him that Al Gore has access to the best scientific minds
on the planet, and he really listened and volunteered to be the spokesman.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:06 AM
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17. that seems like the type of thing someone says when they can't
dispute what the other person is saying . so they try to make it about the person rather than what they are saying.

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:07 AM
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18. There is a clip someplace where a scientist raves about the research
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 12:08 AM by higher class
and knowledge that is contained in the book Gore wrote about the environment. This scientist said that he is held in high regard by other scientists.

In the documentary, he talks about a teacher he had that was studying warming and how hooked he became. He gave a lot of credit to the teacher. He even works in the original studies of the teacher.

He has been asked to speak at many conferences.

He received wonderful backing and support for the documentary from prestigious companies/foundations.


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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:11 AM
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21. It's not playing anywhere in Louisiana...
where I live.
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CatFelyne Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 03:47 AM
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32. More theaters have been added to LA
Theater Lists have been updated...have to scroll down a bit and find state you're looking for.
Harahan and BR are new since I last looked, more places keep being added

New Orleans 6/17 (already gone :( )
Shreveport 6/24
Harahan 6/24
Baton Rouge 7/1 (I'm so there for this one!)

http://www.climatecrisis.net/findatheater/
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:28 AM
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37. I read that the producers made a decision to have a limited showing
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 10:31 AM by higher class
to start off with (limited release).

What is truly amazing is that we have a documentary that is being shown in competition with fictional movies and standing up nicely against the fictional movies in attendance, revenue, and attention paid to those figures by movie critics.

Fahrenheit 9-11 was a documentary and did exceedingly well, but it was also extremely political and humorous.

Other documentaries such as the one about corporations and the media have been doing quite well.

But, this one is taking off. And it's about, ughhhh, science - really understandable science. Young kids can get it because of the skillful way they did it.

It was done in such a way that it appealing to anyone who is concerned about the impact of change on our planet. The only thing political is that a young student became fascinated about the science of global warming and ended up going into politics, ended up at the top in the political hierarchy, and who after being aced out of his job went back to doing something about global warming by traveling the world on invitation to give his presentation and warnings.

It should be released everywhere one of these days - even if it is at an independent theatre. I hope you have one. But I think it is said that the ratings are so good that it will be at the theatre chains.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:08 AM
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19. 30+ years of research?
Starting in College
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:58 AM
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45. Nah..a REAL expert is someone like John Stossel who reads...
his talking points directly from Exxon-Mobil.

:sarcasm:
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:08 AM
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20. Your SO might want to read what some real climate scientists have to say
about the science in Gore's movie. This is from RealClimate.org, where the climate scientists blog:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/05/al-gores-movie/

10 May 2006
Al Gore’s movie

(snip)

How well does the film handle the science? Admirably, I thought. It is remarkably up to date, with reference to some of the very latest research. Discussion of recent changes in Antarctica and Greenland are expertly laid out. He also does a very good job in talking about the relationship between sea surface temperature and hurricane intensity. As one might expect, he uses the Katrina disaster to underscore the point that climate change may have serious impacts on society, but he doesn't highlight the connection any more than is appropriate (see our post on this, here).

(more... )
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:24 AM
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23. Thank you for this! I know you've been a fan for years, and I
appreciate the link.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:15 AM
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22. Well, there is no such thing as "globalwarmingologist," per se.
If there even is such a discipline, it would be an amagalm of discipnes, from geography and meterology and agriculture and paleoclimetology, etc. etc.
Any educated person who has written/researched the topic is by def an "expert," especially if they have written widely both scholarly and popularly.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:28 AM
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24. I saw a scientist from Col. on cnn that said it was bunk.
Fortunately they also had had the dummys collage professor on WHO disagreed entirely. So now the student knows much more then the teacher. I DON'T THINK SO.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:33 AM
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26. Considering what others above have said, what makes your SO...
...more qualified on this topic than Gore. Perhaps you could ask him that?...:shrug:
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:40 AM
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28. He's human...
We caused global warming, we should care about it, and we should be the ones to talk about it.

Being human- that's qualification enough in my book.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:20 AM
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29. He has been studying the issue for decades. He is a journalist by
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:22 AM by applegrove
training. He studies things. Tell you husband to look it up himself. Or he could just continue to run the GOP narrative on Al Gore. The "new one". The one where Al Gore doesn't really care about the environment or know about it.. but is just doing politics by trying to save the planet.

Didn't you know? There could be OIL under the north sea - the parts today covered with ice. The GOP wants it to melt very, very quickly.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:38 AM
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30. Gore studied it, talked with lots of scientists
He didn't make up the facts presented in his film.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:59 AM
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33. Al Gore is not a scientist. He's a writer and a teacher.
He is a writer who has the gift for distilling raw research into a form that the average intelligent person can understand, relate to and get excited about. He's the science teacher I wished I had in high school.

This is important. Most scientists are so immersed in their disciplines that they have great difficulty relating to the general public. Because most people--even highly intelligent and educated ones--lack the background to read and evaluate scientific studies, they are easily dismissed.

Gore is doing a terrific service.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:13 AM
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34. Simple.
He's educated on it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:48 AM
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36. Al Gore wrote the
foreword to "The Riverkeepers," by John Cronin and Robert Kennedy, Jr. There was a situation once where Robert had a group of kids that he was bringing on a "nature adventure," and a problem came up that threatened to end the outing before it really got underway. Long story short: Robert called VP Gore, and Gore personally made sure the kids got to go on the outing.

To my thinking, that spoke well for Al Gore. He isn't just the type of person who writes about the environment. When he was busy as vice president -- and Al Gore took his responsibilities very seriously -- he would take the time and put in the effort to make sure a group of kids got the opportunity to experience nature.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:40 AM
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40. And don't forget the New Orleans airlift that Gore arranged:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:30 AM
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38. Have him watch This video
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 10:31 AM by Armstead
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:56 AM
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44. He's been working on the subject for decades.
He knowns as much as anybody.

Have your SO see the movie. That will eliminate any doubt.
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