Al Jazeera Says They Were Tortured in Barbaric Fashion

leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:23 AM
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Al Jazeera Says They Were Tortured in Barbaric Fashion

Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 08:26 AM by leftyladyfrommo

It is still breaking news on al-Jazeera.

But I guess we knew this was going to happen.

Our own lack of a moral stand against torture has come back to haunt us!

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

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Ezlivin

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:26 AM
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1. The US Tortures in Humane Fashion

See, that's the difference betwixt them and us.

:sarcasm:

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:28 AM
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3. Yea, that's it!

There are more bombs in Bahgdad today - more people killed. Getting al-Zarqawi didn't do a thing. Bringing in thousands of soldiers didn't do a thing.

We need to get out of there.

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Philosoraptor

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:56 AM
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10. Yes, they are barbaric arent' they?

Words don't mean what they used to.

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acmavm

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:27 AM
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2. So, they ignored the Geneva Convention articles, did they?

Where does that sound familiar?

This does not excuse what happened. Nothing will or could ever excuse the torture of two young kids. Nor will anything ever excuse the murder of babies and children.

The only way to solve anything is to withdraw. GET THE HELL OUT. NOW.

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madokie

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:31 AM
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4. I don't know much but I know I want my next President to have

the ability to converse with our enemys not threaten 'em, a little dialog here and there wouldn't hurt a thing. I guess the decider has already decided what is best for everyone so why talk at all.

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Philosoraptor

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:57 AM
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11. Yes, but we are so much more civilized than they.

The only solution is retreat.

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malaise

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:58 AM
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12. That is why the Geneva Convention articles

were introduced in the first place. Thanks Bushco -these kids' parents are very grateful for your freedom loving democracy.

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Yupster

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:08 AM
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14. I don't think the jihadis

signed the Geneva Convention.

They've been sawing heads off of Burmese school teachers, Filipino school principals and everyone else they don't like long before Bush came along.

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malaise

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:10 AM
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16. This is what happens when

Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:14 AM by malaise

you invade and occupy a sovereign country and murder and torture its citizens.
Edit -add.

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genie_weenie

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:14 AM
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19. I don't want to hijack a thread

especially one as important as this, but as an aside: What exactly makes a country "Soverign"?

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Philosoraptor

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:23 AM
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29. Soveriegn, like all other words, no longer means what it used to.

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genie_weenie

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Tue Jun-20-06 11:58 AM
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52. I'm just wondering what DUers think

Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 12:01 PM by genie_weenie

concerning what, if any, limitations can be imposed upon a "Soverign Nation" and it's Government.

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Yupster

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:06 AM
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13. But we need to get

the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who've worked with us out before we leave.

If we leave and there results another killing fields, it will be outr discrace night after night as the collaberators get their heads sawed off live on television.

If we leave that's fine, but we can't leave our friends behind to face the mercy of the jihadists.

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:22 AM
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26. Another lesson from Viet Nam? n/t

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merh

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Tue Jun-20-06 10:11 AM
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51. The right will say the difference is, our guys were wearing uniforms

I'm crying :cry:

for our soldiers, our nations and our souls.

violence begets violence, spreading hate and destruction does not equal spreading democracy, not now, not ever.

:cry:

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deaniac21

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:35 AM
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5. Did they flush their bibles down the toilet?

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:43 AM
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6. when in Mesopotamia, do as the Mesopotamians do...

:shrug: Mesopotamia has like 6,000 years head start on us with respect to "barbaric torture"...it's past time to understand who we're fighting why we're there never the twain shall meet and end this hellish nightmare being fought on behalf of the Bush Family Evil Empire Stock Portfolio & Donor Fan Base

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:12 AM
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18. I'm afraid to even guess what "barbaric toture" means.

Ours is probably no less painful - we just use the modern techniques instead of age-old ones.

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:23 AM
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30. sadly true...

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Warpy

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:47 AM
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7. Yes, prisoners have been treated better by Iraqi militias

than we treated the Iraqis in the prisons WE ran. This is shameful in and of itself, and the inevitable outcome is that they degrade their own civility in the process.

This is why this country has always rigidly adhered to the Geneva Conventions.

This is why Stupid needs a very long stretch in Leavenworth followed by a trip to the Hague.

Stupid did it to these poor guys. The Iraqis were only his means.

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rodeodance

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:50 AM
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8. wonder if they used the 'enemy combantants' label???

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cali

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Tue Jun-20-06 08:55 AM
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9. Had there been no

Abu-Ghraib, no Haditha, no abuses, this would have happened anyway. Anyone recall Margaret Hassan, a woman who worked all of her adult life for the welfare of Iraqis, and was kidnapped and killed by insurgents? What the US did and has done in Invading and occupying Iraq is unforgivable, but it doesn't give the insurgents a pass.

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ayeshahaqqiqa

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:10 AM
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15. Remember Jessica Lynch?

If memory serves, this member of the armed forces was captured and held and not tortured. The two non-American peace activists who were captured last year were not tortured. I'm not saying that all Iraqis are nice to captives, but then again, not all Iraqis torture and kill all their prisoners. Personally, I can't help but think that the actions of Bushco are one of the main reason Americans are targeted.

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cali

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:14 AM
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20. Far more non-Americans

have been captured and killed in Iraq than Americans. Most people captured by insurgents in Iraq don't survive it. Of course, the occupation generated the insurgency. That still doesn't excuse the murderous behavior of much of the insurgency. And most of those targeted are Iraqis who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:22 AM
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27. that is correct, Babylonia's ways & means are known throughout...

the world, and now we are sent there playing 'jolly green giant' by a guy that only thinks he's tough

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Virginia Dare

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:46 AM
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45. I don't give anybody a pass...

but the U.S. has given up any high moral ground it may have had with regard to torturing prisoners and observing Geneva Conventions. The Bush Administration and the Pentagon just have no credibility here, and I doubt they'd be able to get much international support for prosecuting any war crimes that may have been committed.

Unfortunately, now we are embroiled in a tit-for-tat conflict of barbaric actions, which I would guess is playing right into the hands of Al-Qaida and other anti-U.S. factions.

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genie_weenie

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:12 AM
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17. Wait. Make sure you are viewing this correctly

Our own lack of a moral stand against torture has come back to haunt us!

It is not our own, but the administration, *, Rummy, Alberto Gonzalez et al. Because remember * as the most protected man in the world can make as many proclamations as he wishes for he and his family will NEVER face the consequences of those proclamations.

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Toots

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:15 AM
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21. So does the GOP suddenly find Al-Jazeera credible?

Think they will become incensed over an al-jazeera report?

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qanda

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:16 AM
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22. What is this about?

The soldiers that were captured and killed? I'm just wondering because I couldn't find the story from the link in your post.

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:19 AM
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23. Yes - the link may have changed now - it was just breaking on

al-jazeera this morning.

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:21 AM
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25. Still there - over on the top right - Breaking News. n/t

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qanda

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:51 AM
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46. Thank you

Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 10:01 AM by qanda

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sea urchin

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:20 AM
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24. Sow the wind

...reap the whirlwind. :-(

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:27 AM
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34. welcome to du, sea urchin...

here's hoping you stick around a time or two :kick:

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ContraBass Black

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:23 AM
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28. What the hell is going on?

I just got back from work. What happened?

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:25 AM
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31. link...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/20/world/20cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1150862400&en=4dff42fe4eea893b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:26 AM
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32. They found the two bodies of the captured military guys in

Iraq. I guess they actually found them Saturday. Dead and tortured.

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Mayberry Machiavelli

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:26 AM
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33. The obvious solution is to torture more Iraqis, even more brutally, and to

annihilate more of them with bombings and "pacification" of their cities! :sarcasm:

That'll obviously solve this whole situation and bring peace and order to Iraq! :sarcasm:

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Fleshdancer

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:30 AM
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35. damn.

My condolences to the families of the soldiers. If I found out my child was tortured, it would probably drive me insane.

:cry:

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:33 AM
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36. I'm not sure what could be worse.

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AlCzervik

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:36 AM
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38. yes, i would most likely be thinking about their last hours

over and over and over again. I'm sorry sorry for them and thier families, i kept hoping they'd be found alive. If that was my daughter i really don't think i could go on, there would be no point.

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Fleshdancer

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:39 AM
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42. I'm afraid I would do the same thing....

and I would be angry that I couldn't do anything to stop the pain and suffering and, like you, I wouldn't see the point of surviving such a hell. This is the absolute worse way to lose a child.

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GreatCaesarsGhost

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:36 AM
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37. are the troops stretched so thin that they have only 3 soldiers

guarding a check point? why isn't the new and improved iraqi army doing this kind of work?

to answer my own question, because they are not trustworthy, not trained, and not reliable.

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:39 AM
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41. and they all belong to militias.

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kentuck

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:37 AM
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39. But....I thought Zarqawi was dead ??

Wasn't he the guy that tortured and beheaded people?? Is this the new guy doing this stuff??

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leftyladyfrommo

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:40 AM
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43. You mean the "new" actually put in by bin Laden guy?

Yes, that would be him. Bin Laden is back but no one has mentioned that yet.

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Virginia Dare

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:42 AM
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44. There was speculation here over the past few days....

that Zarqawi was "voted out", and the new leadership has gone in a different direction, i.e. greater targeting of U.S. troops, as opposed Iraqi civilians.

Time will tell.

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 10:01 AM
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49. so far their new operational plan has taken the field...

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AzDar

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:37 AM
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40. It's okay. George W. A.W.O.L. says torture is okay. Didn't y'all read

the latest issue of "Signing-Statement Monthly"?
No worries...:sarcasm:

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KurtNYC

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:52 AM
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47. The phrase "barbaric torture" is redundant n/t

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Ganja Ninja

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:59 AM
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48. I'm sure they died secure in the knowledge that the GOP ...

congress supported their mission. It must have been a great comfort to them.:sarcasm:

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bridgit

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Tue Jun-20-06 10:01 AM
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50. there'ya go...

:sarcasm:

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