Bush and his minions: Geneva Conventions are "quaint" and "obsolete"

NNN0LHI

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:00 AM
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Bush and his minions: Geneva Conventions are "quaint" and "obsolete"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10020664/site/newsweek/

How Terror Led America Toward Torture

In September 2002, former CIA Counterterrorism chief Cofer Black testified before Congress that "there was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11. After 9/11 the gloves came off." Nowhere did the Bush administration make that distinction more sharply than on the topic of torture. Now, with questions about secret prisons in the air and major torture legislation looming, a look back at that long road that led from the attacks on America to the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

Nov. 21, 2005 issue - "Al Qaeda and Taliban individuals under the control of the Department of Defense are not entitled to prisoner-of-war status for purposes of the Geneva Convention of 1949."
�Donald Rumsfeld, Defense secretary, Jan. 19, 2002

Jan. 25, 2002: The then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales advises President Bush that portions of the Geneva Conventions are "quaint" and "obsolete" and that adherence would restrict U.S. interrogation methods in this "new kind of war."

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malaise

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:04 AM
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1. Those fuggers aren't in Iraq

Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:04 AM by malaise

facing torture. The Geneva Convention articles are about reciprocity. You do not torture becusae you do not want your soldiers to be tortured. Of course none of the young men or women of Bushco's cronies are being tortured anywhere on the planet. Fuck Bush, Rummy, Condi and Cheney - Fuck all of them. The most cruel karma is too good for these masters of genocide.
Edit -gr.

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wtmusic

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:17 AM
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3. To expand a bit

Of course GC comes into focus when reciprocity occurs, but they are really about fundamental compassion and human rights. Yes, people tortured 2,000 years ago. They did it 500 and 100 years ago.

Civilization is supposed to be beyond that now. The country to which you pay your taxes, which has the least excuse, is holding it back.

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malaise

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:26 AM
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4. Correct but for most of the planet's goons

Human rights only matter when self interest comes into play.

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wtmusic

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:32 AM
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5. Very true

and might the great unthinking public now actually consider whether our torturing is wrong or not? :shrug:

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sakabatou

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Tue Jun-20-06 09:17 AM
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2. ....

How much more is the BFEE going to trample on freedom.

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