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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:45 AM
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A NEW LAW CONGRESS CONSIDERS, THE VA THEFT COULD HURT ALL OF US...
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:51 AM by Jeffersons Ghost
Before reading this MSNBC news story, ask yourself: Did the VA suffer a public relations disaster because of this information loss? Here's another pertinent question: Do gigantic corporations, like your bank, want to avoid public relations disasters?


As HR3997 becomes dangerously close to passage by the entire House, check out a few paragraphs from today's MSNBC news article on this new law our do-nothing Congress is quietly considering...

HOW THE VA THEFT COULD HURT ALL OF US



Posted: Tuesday, June 20 at 07:20 am CT by Bob Sullivan

Last month, the VA announced an employee had lost a computer loaded with the identities of 26 million current and former GIs. The dramatic incident has inspired outrage from lawmakers in Washington D.C. Unfortunately, that outrage has taken form in legislation that could make things worse for all of us.

How? It establishes nationwide standards for data security that actually eliminate some consumer rights granted at the state level.

If The Financial Data Protection Act, already passed by the House Financial Services Committee, is approved by the full House later this month, millions of consumers could lose the right to freeze their credit reports. And all those notices consumers now receive after a company loses personal data? Many of those would no longer be required.

There are two clear problems with the bill: Under its provisions, only ID theft victims would have the right to freeze their credit; and companies that lose data would only have to tell consumers if there was a "significant risk" of harm. Guess who decides if lost data poses a significant risk?
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/06/how_the_va_thef.html
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:05 AM
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1. "The Financial Data Protection Act"
Yet another Republican policy initiative that does exactly the OPPOSITE of what it's name says it does....

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:11 AM
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3. reminds me of another misnomer for the most UNPATRIOTIC ACT OF ALL...
{b]THE U.S.A. PATRIOT ACT!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:08 AM
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2. Taking away a consumer's right to freeze their own credit file?
I can't figure out how that helps anyone--even the corporatist who wrote the bill. The financial services industry would have nothing to gain; the credit card companies generally eat the fraudulent charges. The credit reporting agencies I'm sure don't like having to deal with an ID thefts; that must cost them a ton of money.

There are many reasons I may want to freeze my credit file that have nothing to do with some entity being careless with my data. I may have a relative go off the deep end, a crazy ex-spouse, or maybe my computer was stolen or hacked.

The only thing I can see is maybe they want to have more ID theft which equals more bad credit which means higher interest rates. Are they really that devious? Or just too stupid to see it doesn't do anything for anybody?
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:33 AM
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5. companies pull your credit report all the time without you knowing
all those "pre-approved" offers you get in the mail are the result of someone pulling your credit score (if you didn't request it, it doesn't show up on your report, but they want to know who to target).

I don't know whether or not freezing your report stops this and I don't know whether or not this is the reason for the bill. It's just the only think I can think of.

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:12 AM
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11. oops wrong place to post, sorry n/t
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 11:14 AM by Jeffersons Ghost
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:10 AM
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10. I think it may just be a control thing.
One less thing you control, one more thing they control.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:16 AM
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12. when your bank "accidently" losses your info next year...
you may see how it affects you a great deal more than simply a "control" issue.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:25 AM
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4. HR 3997
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 10:26 AM by AnOhioan
"To amend the Fair Credit Reporting Act to provide for secure financial data, and for other purposes."

Original sponsor Steve LaTourette (R) (OH-14)

This bill is a give-away to the card card companies.

Want to send a message?


http://katzforcongress.com/index.php


Lew is LaTourette's opponent in November.

Help Lew send LaTourette packing. Donations and volunteers needed to help regain control of the House. There are numerous well-qualified Democratic candidates running in the fall. Lew is one of them.

edited for spelling
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:35 AM
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:27 AM
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13. here's a way to help "Lew" Katz
"Worst Data Bill Ever" Inches Forward in Congress
From ConsumerAffairs.com:

Even as more states pass laws protecting their residents from identity theft and giving them more options to control their credit, a bill that could override all state laws for data breaches is slithering through Congress.

The House of Representatives may vote as early as this week on the "Financial Data and Security Act" (H.R. 3997), sponsored by Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-OH).

The bill, dubbed the "worst data bill ever" by Public Interest Research Group's Ed Mierzwinski, would preempt existing state laws that allow consumers to "freeze" their credit and prevent accounts from being opened in their name without permission.

The bill also preempts states from exerting any authority to investigate data breaches, and would only mandate companies notify customers of a data breach or fraud alert after they have performed a "reasonable" investigation themselves.

Here's a way to help Lew Katz: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/entity/9185

You can also learn more about H.R. 3997 here.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:46 AM
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7. Well, I think we know now how **co plan to pay off the deficit. Just
keep us from freezing our accts and running up our credit cards and draining our savings and checking dry.

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:56 AM
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8. Someone had asked why all this information
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 10:56 AM by dogday
is being stolen.. The VA and the Government Employees as well.. I would say the answer lies within this act.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:10 AM
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9. hear hear to that dogday n/t
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:35 AM
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14. One of the provisions that must be changed is:
Overall it’s a pretty good bill until you get to Sec. 630, (i)(2)(ii) which says to request a freeze you must ,”(submit) an identity theft report to the consumer reporting agency,” which means your identity must have been stolen and a police or other report confirms it.


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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:53 AM
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15. All congressional bills are good, until we the read fine print and riders
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:01 PM
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16. Oh yeah
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 12:02 PM by AnOhioan
They count on us not being involved enough to read the bills and understand the ramifications. They just give it a "sounds good" title "The Financial Data Protection Act" case in point, and then the talking heads on Faux all jump in with how good this bill is and how we should all vote Republican because they are the ones who care about us. :sarcasm:



Edited for the eternal spelling gaffe
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:17 PM
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18. exactly and if you ever want to really get ill, watch C-SPAN...
seeing them live and in action will lead most people to believe they're over-paid. In fact, giving them minimum wage would probably be too generous but at least they'd raise minimum wage.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:16 PM
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17. This congress is just flat out incapable of passing anything
that actually benefits the people, it's corporations rule for breakfast, lunch, dinner and even the midnight snack. This corrupt, incompetent government continues to screw up time after time and then punishes the people for it and says it will need more power so it will not be so corrupt, incompetent the next time. Lord help us all.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:21 PM
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19. How true
Right now the corporations have Congress by the short hairs. All the more reason to work all that much harder to defeat the Neo-cons in November. Then we can work on the Dino's.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:24 PM
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20. HA HA HA, just watch how fast they pass this without ANY debate...
and I call them "do-nothing" like my TV, likes to claim. How dumb I am to buy into the fact that they are doing nothing.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:48 PM
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21. Good point Jeffersons Ghost, the MSM would be happy to brain wash
the people in to believing they are a "do nothing congress", this will more likely create apathy for the 2006 election. This congress is in fact doing a hell of a lot of damage to the people and what passes for freedom, if the MSM reported this, congress might change hands, and I don't think the corporations that own the MSM want that to happen.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:19 PM
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22. I wish it was ONLY MSM that was a propaganda machine...
but it's more, much more... Lou Dobbs of CNN says crap like this so often I keep getting him confused with Joseph Goebbels. Stalin would have loved our media during his reign of terror.
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