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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:39 AM
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Poll question: Gore refuses to back Lieberman: devisive or decisive?
Gore has refused to back Joe Lieberman. Given the frequent calls here to back any Democrat and howls whenever someone points out the conflicted loyalties (at best) of candidates and pols aligned with the corporate sponsored DLC, I'd be curious to see what people think of this.



June 19, 2006

Gore Refuses to Back Lieberman


Interviewed on Bloomberg TV, Al Gore refused to endorse his former vice presidential running mate, Sen. Joe Lieberman (C-CT), in his re-election race.

Said Gore: "I am not involved. I typically do not get involved in Democratic primaries. Joe is my close friend, Joe and Hadassah are close to Tipper and me and it would be very difficult for me to ever oppose him. But I don't get involved in primaries typically. He's a great guy and he's right on a lot of other issues."

Of course, Gore did get involved in the 2004 Democratic presidential primaries and backed Howard Dean over Lieberman.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:42 AM
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1. Since Holy Joe refused to back Gore during the 2000 recount,
constantly telling him via the news media to "give it up", I figure Joe just got payback.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:48 AM
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2. How the hell did Joe end up on the ticket anyway? What genius
consultant said he was a good idea?

I have a Jewish friend who said he liked the idea of a Jew on the ticket, but even he wished it wasn't Joe.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:53 AM
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3. Derisive. To send a message to Lieberman that AG doesn't
believe he's the person he represented himself to be when he was asked to run with him.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:53 AM
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4. How is it divisive to not choose sides in a competitive Democratic
primary?

You don't like Gore? Ok but I don't see how his comments on the Connecticut primary really have much to do with that.

He also didn't endorse Joe in 2004.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:10 PM
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5. I like Al and don't like Joe. I was curious to see what others thought
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:55 AM
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12. Your OP is misleading though. You imply that by not endorsing Lieb, that
Gore is not endorsing "any Democrat".

There IS another Dem, Lamont, in the primary!

Do you see now how your OP question is off the mark?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:00 AM
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15. trying to word it so it didn't seem like I was pushing for one option
can't make everybody happy though.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:02 AM
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17. Not endorsing Lieberman is a completely different topic than if Lieberman
had already won the primary and Gore didn't endorse him against the Repub, you see?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:17 PM
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23. i would only endorse him with back-handed compliment
"Joe is a corrupt, corporate owned sack of shit--but since he calls himself a Democrat, his mere presence could help us gain the majority, and we can indict and replace him later."

How would that be?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:39 AM
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9. He didn't seem to have a problem with trying to play kingmaker
in the presidential primaries.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:32 PM
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6. Minimal impact on the Lieberman/Lamont primary race. CT Dems
probably have already gotten strong impressions of the two candidates and know which of the two draws them the most.

Gore's refusal to endorse his old running mate obviously doesn't help Joe any, but Joe's affiliation with Bush is what may swamp him in the end.

Lamont is offering a deeper shade of blue than the incumbent.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:32 AM
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7. "deeper shade of blue" should be tag line for all progressives
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:36 AM
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8. No. "True Blue" if anything (n/t)
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:58 AM by ConsAreLiars
(edit because I can't type 5 words without an errot)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:13 AM
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20. I'll second that. Pretty brilliant. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:49 AM
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22. Hi, yurbud. Overnight I wondered if I short-changed Al Gore by
saying his non-endorsement of Lieberman would have minimal impact.

I woke up this morning hoping he proves me wrong.

I'm one of those summer terrorists Lieberman's advisors are so worried about, but honestly, I just like Lamont more than I oppose Lieberman. Lamont is likeable in a different way and is truer to my political inclinations.

I grew uneasy with Lieberman a few years before Gore chose him to be his veep nominee, when Joe began to moralize about Hollywood films. If Hollywood sometimes makes salacious films Joe forgets that people coast to coast line up at theaters each weekend to plunk down cash to see them.

I didn't buy Joe's condemnation of that, feeling that people can make up their own minds if they want to see a film or not.

Anyway, Lamont would be a bluer vote in the Senate, and one vote harder for Bush and Cheney to advance their agenda.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:25 PM
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26. I remember at the time Tipper Gore was a culture critic too, part of the
Democrats PR campaign to look culturally conservative.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:33 PM
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27. Yep, I remember that hearing Tipper held about controversial rock
lyrics.

And of all people, John Denver was one of the harshest critics of censorship. He really surprised a lot of people in those hearings.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:16 PM
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28. "Grandma's Feather Bed" encouraged promiscuity
at Grandma's house....
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:44 AM
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10. Those who call him coward for not supporting Joe can kiss my shiny metal
ass.

Gads that just chaps my butt.

Doesn't the Lieberman camp understand that Joe and Al just don't stand for the same things any more?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:51 AM
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11. Is there a full moon?
Somebody call somebody's mother a 'ho? What the hell is going on with all these idiotic threads tonight?

Do something constructive, read all these charts and interviews, and spread this link around.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:55 AM
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13. Snif
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:20 PM
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24. Did that too, but thanks for the advice Mrs. Lieberman.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:56 AM
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14. Gore has said that he will support whomever is the Dem nominee
He's not backing nor deriding of any potential Dem candidates. Al's a class act.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:24 AM
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21. Just like 2004...
class act...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:00 AM
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16. Lieberman bashing is getting so old
I'm glad to see Lieberman getting slapped around by the voters of his state and state party. He needs to go. I'm very encourages by Lamont's poll numbers in 3-way match ups. It doesn't look like anything is going to throw this election to the Republicans. If Lieberman runs as an independent, the race will still be between him and Lamont.

But calling him "Republican light" is just way way off and frankly makes DUers sound intolerant of dissent w/in the party. If we don't like him, support his opponent. But the name calling is petty and divisive. Gore handled this perfectly. You see who the state party supports and then you support that candidate. End of story. I hope the good ol' boys on the DCCC do the same, or there'll be hell to pay. But the last thing we need to do on the eve of an electoral realignment is to drive wedges within the party.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 02:23 PM
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25. realignment will only happen if we stand for something
You can't win an election by default.

If voters are disgusted with GOP but Dems give no clear alternative, people will just stay home on election day and pull the covers over their head.

Obviously, after primaries, it would be counter-productive to spend a lot of time kicking this shitbag who will eventually move on to being a lobbyist anyway, but we need to prod the Democrats to stand up for our core values so they don't look like the cowards and opportunists so many have been the last six years.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:06 AM
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18. I howl "support any Democrat"! And Lieberman is no democrat.
Good for Al Gore!
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OhNoTheyDidNot Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:11 AM
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19. I think the republicans are supporting Joe these days - gawd knows he's
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 03:12 AM by OhNoTheyDidNot
supporting them. Worst decision of Gore's lifetime was putting him on the ticket. He cost us the election ...... and then went on to rub salt in our wounds over and over and over ...
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