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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:11 PM
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QUIT talking about her! Just stop it!!
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 12:20 PM by lildreamer316
All you are doing is giving what she says and does power. She is irrelevant and insignificant; she means NOTHING.
I'm beginning to think some people earn several dollars per mention of the woman's name, considering how many times in the last week she's been on the first page here. Gee, now that would not happen, would it? :sarcasm:
We have much more important things to discuss that what some dumbass said. Who is she, really? Bye bye.

If you have no idea who I mean; here you go: A.C.

I AM NOT calling anyone out; there have been so many threads that it is irrelevant; and I would not do so. I'm speaking to the general idea.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:12 PM
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1. Thanks for the A.C. hint ...
but who is OUIT?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:13 PM
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5. I think OUIT is a new DU member.
:evilgrin:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:21 PM
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12. I fix-ed it.
-you know we're a little slow down here in the south.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:13 PM
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2. All the people are gonna come here
and point out in their infinite wisdom how you have just started your own A.C. thread, how you're a hypocrite, and to put those threads on ignore if you don't like them.

Screw that noise. You said what needs to be said. Thanks.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:13 PM
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3. Annabelle Charles?
Annette Chertov?

Amy Caruso?

Astra Cass?

Azura Cassady?
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:13 PM
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4. Agatha Christie?
:crazy:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:14 PM
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6. I totally agree!
Stop the free advertising! Ignore the bitch!
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:16 PM
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7. Christina Aguilera?
:bounce:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:16 PM
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8. She's the mainstream Republicon Party, that's who she is...
...and that's why what she says is infinitely relevant.

NGU.


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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:17 PM
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9. Hillary Clinton?
:evilgrin:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:25 PM
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15. I don't disagree.
We need to get serious,and that isn't the way to do it. Another straw man, unfortunately. I hate it, but there it is.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:20 PM
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10. No, she's not.
They just want you to think so. Don't buy into it--do you really think that FOX news or ANY news for that matter (mainstream, anyway) is going to tell you differently?
If you believe that she is the mainstream, then you think Bush really won in 2004 and that the popular vote for Gore in 2000 was a figment of our collective imaginations.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:58 PM
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29. I never said she's a mainstream American. I said she's a mainstream...
...Republicon.

Mainstream Americans are overwhelmingly Progressive.

NGU.


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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:15 PM
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33. Nope, sorry.
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:20 PM by lildreamer316
Most people I know who identify as repub are not hate-filled and advocating for extreme views, they just want less taxes and a government that dosen't meddle with them; maybe one that dosen't spend all of their tax money. That's the mainstream. Remember, most people are remembering the days when Republican actually meant Conservative,as in conserving money and resources, and helping the small businessman. They are not aware that the core values have changed on a subconcious level; so they still call themselves repub when that's really not the party they actually identify with. Not saying that they are really dems, but they sure aren't THAT kind of repub. THe GOP is trying to convince their base as well as us, and sounding more shrill every hour.

SIMPLER: if mainstream Americans are overwhelmingly progressive; then they won't believe her anyway. She's shouting into the wind. You just argued yourself into a corner. Either mainstream America is smart enough to see through her bs or they're not--and then the repubs win without having to steal an election, and there would be no need to shout these obsenities into the atmosphere.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:27 PM
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34. Of course most people who identify as Cons are not hate-filled...
...and advocating for extreme views. That's why they need to learn that their party has the soul of a thousand Ann Coulters.

And please save the condescension for someone who deserves it.

NGU.


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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:21 PM
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11. Will do, mom.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:23 PM
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13. Well damn.
I mean,really. The crap just crowds up the front page, and it's getting more intense every day, and good ol' DUers keep falling for the bait, over and over. Sheesh.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 03:33 PM
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45. What "bait?" If it's painting the Cons as extreme RW nut jobs in the...
...eyes of the public, I'll "fall for it"... hook, line, and sinker.

NGU.


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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:00 PM
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46. But *we* are not the
*public* that needs convincing. Here, on DU, we are already convinced. Therefore; the info should be posted and discussed, and left there for anyone who can use the search feature. No need to rehash it five hundred times; and people that seem to keep bringing it up time and again after the relevant points and info has been shared, seem to be placing us in a lovely light for search engines and those who wish to point out how crazy we are. If you let them know they got to you, then they have power over you. Even negative publicity is still publicity. And boy, how well we responded to the Pavlov bell!!
She and the other ones like her do not deserve that much from us.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:39 PM
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47. If you're talking about overkill at DU, that's...
...a horse of a different color entirely.

And I agree with you on that point.

NGU.


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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:23 PM
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14. Here's why we have to address these rabid beasts. . .
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-right-wing-extremists-merit.html#links


Debunk Glenn Greenwald's argument and I'll think your point has merit.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:36 PM
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18. Well duh..
of course we should be paying attention to the general gist of things in the media; that goes without saying. But as to creating drama and distraction that is unecessary, we should not give it any more power. Rather, what and who are the motivations BEHIND such a push? We already know the answer to that; it's been dissected here many times.
Bottom line: Fairness Doctorine; and don't waste your precious energy fighting her (on an election year!) when she's just the latest figurehead puppet. Hey! Look over here!!
I know the power of right wing fundamentalists. However, some of it derives from pure PERCEPTION that they are the majority. If you can't see that, you're standing too close. Some others are getting paid to make sure you stay that way.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:54 PM
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25. She is the perfect example..
of WHY we need the Fairness Doctrine. I agree that should be the #1 issue above all else, and the Dems should run on it, but the attention she gets here does not promote her or her views and does the opposite: it reveals her propaganda for what it is. Once Reagan eliminated the Fairness Doctrine and Gingrich instigated Operation Enduring Propaganda with "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control," they win PR battle after PR battle - in large part because more and more the media is Big Business. We can no longer ignore that.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:00 PM
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30. We're past that point.
See; what you are arguing, most of us realized awhile back. And tried to do someting about it. And the ways we tried were not having any effect. As you can see; people come to the truth on their own time, in their own way. The info is here for the taking; when they are ready to learn. A little prodding and pushing never hurt, but if you are a parent; you know you cannot always tell your child something; sometimes they have to learn it for themselves. Usually,when they DO come looking to learn on their own, then that means they are READY for the truth.
Don't worry; the truth is getting out there. More so than you think. The GOP has done a bang-up job of convincing you otherwise.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:33 PM
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37. How did they convince me?
By taking control of the presidency, the Senate, the House and most state governorships. Pretty convincing. We might be able to take it all back, but not if we let them run Operation Enduring Propaganda.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:45 PM
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38. Look,
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:47 PM by lildreamer316
either the "masses" are going to wake up and get their info from somewhere else, or there's no need to even fight. The mainstream media is already lost, and any attempts to fight them there are just wasted energy. The'll just throw money at the problem. Therefore, the propaganda ON the mainstream media is just chatter, par for the course. Either you believe EVERYTHING they are telling you, or you don't. If you believe everything the MSM is telling you, propaganda included, then why would the GOP need to STEAL your vote, or make sure you didn't (vote)? Americans tend to have an all or nothing attitude, ESPECIALLY the 29/35 percent you are concerned with.
We are too close to the election to waste energy trying to fight the established corporate media (read:propaganda) machine. One on one, that's the way to go. Feel free to do that, most of us here already are. Any reasonable person would see that these extremist views are not good; and if they don't, then they probably aren't going to see reason anyway, in general.
You have to let go a bit...you have to trust in the people. I know it's hard, but if you look at the evidence, there was never more than 40 percent that needed convincing in the first place. The imagined majority is a FAKE,and if you buy into that, then you DON'T buy into the Constitution.
The forefathers trusted the people. You need to also. We are all we have left; and if we fail; well....guess it wasn't meant to be.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:32 PM
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36. And yet, you addressed none of the issues Greenwald raised. . .
I agree with most of what you say, but what Glenn says has merit, too. And he specifically addresses the issue that they are not the majority, by perception or in fact. . .

Nice touch, though, in your comment: Insult my intelligence and that of Greenwald by the sophomoric use a high school rebuttal ('Well, duh..."). It fits well, given that you're trying to invest others with the wherewithal to avoid commenting on the insulting, divisive words of right wing shills.

And for the record, this is the only thread on this topic I've contributed to in years. And this, happily, is my last post within this thread.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:59 PM
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39. .
Okay, just for everyone else's benefit; I'm gonna post an answer.
I said "duh" because I assumed (!!oops!!) that we were all of a certain level here in regards to our knowledge of the right wing and what methods they use to discredit and disinform. If you are here, then you have supposedly taken on the task of educating yourself as to the truth, and you would see the ample evidence that the media has been bought and paid for; etc. etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum. If you don't know that then you haven't been paying attention. I am sure that you HAVE been paying attention, so therefore I feel safe in assuming, for the purposes of this discussion here, that you already know that if the MSM is bought and paid for, then nothing on it can be trusted or believed. Following, anyone who believes everything the MSM tells them can probably not be swayed by our arguing HERE on THIS BOARD with EACH OTHER.
You insulted MY intelligence by assuming I had not done my homework and educated myself. Step back and look at the bigger picture. Someday you are going to have to trust that SOMEONE knows SOMETHING.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:46 PM
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23. !!! Those who want to ignore them should get out of the way
And let the rest of us fight them. From the blog:

More importantly, it is incomparably beneficial to expose the extremist, dishonest underbelly of the pro-Bush movement. They have made great political strides by focusing as much as possible on easily disliked political figures on the Left who are susceptible to being depicted (rightly or wrongly) as extremists (Ward Churchill, Harry Belafonte, Michael Moore, etc.) and then turning them into illustrative symbols of Democrats generally.

But while they do this, they also form highly beneficial alliances with the most extreme and radical elements in the political spectrum. Ann Coulter attends their most important political events and urges the murder of Supreme Court Justices and uses hateful epithets, prompting standing ovations. Dick Cheney's favorite place to express his political ideas is the radio shows of right-wing radio talk show hosts who spew eliminationist and extremists rhetoric on a daily basis. They are represented in the blogosphere by individuals who favor the war internment of Japanese-Americans, routinely call mainstream Democrats traitors, and issue threatening proclamations against the media for causing us to lose the war in Iraq. And they don't take any significant domestic policy steps without first clearing what they want to do with the likes of Jim Dobson and, before that, Pat Robertson.

But because many people believe that individuals such as Malkin, Coulter, Reynolds, and Limbaugh are so vile that they ought to be "ignored," Bush followers never have to pay a price for these alliances. They are allowed to milk the benefits of their confederations with extremists while deceitfully presenting a moderate, mainstream face to the country. They should not be allowed to get away with that. The more these extremists are focused on, the more attention they receive, the better it is. It is a good thing for Americans to know that the real face of Bush followers is Michelle Malkin, John Hinderaker, Ann Coulter and Jim Dobson, and to see clearly what that face really looks like.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:56 PM
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26. You're arguing in a circle.
Most people HERE at DU KNOW all about the right wing lunatics and their methods; it's become second nature to recognize what the deal is and move on to other things. They only have power over the UNconvinced. How many of those are out there? Estimates vary, but it seems to be somewhere around 29 to 35 percent. I'm willing to bet most of those ppl are not HERE on DU. Our resources and energy are valuable; and better spent on other things on the FRONT page of the major discussion forums. The re-education and prevention battle is not fought in here, it's OUT THERE. Most of us are already doing what we can.
I am speaking to OUR community. If we can get drawn into this distracton game this easily, then yes, we do have problems.
The school bullies don't have nearly as much effect as you think they do. Don't believe the hype. As we have learned in the last few days, this is such a problem for them they PAY people to make sure you are too close to the problem. Nothing like having to PAY to spread propaganda to tell you someone's in trouble in the reality based community.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:03 PM
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32. Thanks for link.
Interesting and reflects the 'non-cooperation with evil' philosophy of MLK and Gandhi.

They are annoying threads tho... I just hit hide thread and move on from there to look at stuff I do want to address. I am fortunate in that I don't know anyone who reads or likes her.

Her book stack at our local bookstore in this very red county appears untouched compared to Gore's book which had only two remaining over the weekend. A good sign.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:26 PM
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16. who?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:28 PM
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17. It would be nice if we could keep the topic
to one or two threads. She doesn't deserve more bandwith then that.

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:39 PM
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19. You first.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:41 PM
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20. The chicken or the egg?
What happened before the big bang?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:43 PM
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21. Before the big bang?
Two higher dimensional membranes were getting too close. :)
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:47 PM
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24. I saw that!!
Facinating stuff, that. So where's that lab-created universe?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:43 PM
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22. I thought you were talking about HRC
LOL
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:58 PM
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27. I think DU needs a "Sideshow Freaks" forum.
:evilgrin: It's the rubber-necking inclination (let's see the dead and maimed bodies) or the fascination with the Elephant Man ... or the Bearded Lady ... or the woman who's half-human and half-maggot.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:58 PM
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28. A.C.?
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 12:58 PM by benburch
But Aleister Crowley was a MAN.

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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:02 PM
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31. Ak.
Running away now. I am not able to even go there; it's far too intense.
Meow, dammit, in five inch heels.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:29 PM
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35. Gotcha!
:D
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:00 PM
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40. "Another Cockroach" ?
:)
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:01 PM
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42. Indeed n/t
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:01 PM
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41. Britney Spears?
i agree wholeheartedly!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:08 PM
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43. Sure. Just ignore the Swift Boat Liars. They'll go away too.
Never again.

Bake
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:12 PM
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44. If he had stood up to them
they would have. If the PAID MSM had not been PAID to pay attention to them, they would not have. Again, smoke and mirrors. Most ppl either know this now, or if they don't; it's getting to be too late anyway.
By definiton, never again--we have learned our lesson well, I hope. The hour grows near for change; at some point you have to let go and trust the people. The founding fathers did.
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