Is beer a gateway drug to hard liquor?

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Kids, stop the heavy petting.

"You know that what we're doing is the gateway for anal sex? Hmmmm? Where are you going?"

nm

I'm just sayin'.

Those words sound like they came straight from the zafu.

The desire like a voice, feed me feed me?

Who hears, and feeds this captive pet?

What unchronicled awakeness lingers?

To have a body, is to know desire, yet what synaptic inference make "us" this desire?

What if we never were the body, and are driving in it, like a car, for a lifetime,
and forgetting that the vehicle is not conscious, unable to control its motor
survival mechanisms... and if we are the car, then we are but animals
in a pen, smaller than cows, more violent and stupider.

Desire is unending unless what is identified as desiring realizes it is a choice; that
the truth of what is already present, without "me the ego and its story", is already here
if you are really willing to stop the story, to stop the narratives of self reflection.

I'm just saying that we should challenge these buddhist aphorisms, as they sound pithy, but
its absurd to not have desire in a physical body, and sounding absurd to simply repress it. That
sounds like a lotta work, not fun, or "natural state". So when one inquires in to the
4 noble truths, what are they really, now.

:shrug:

could not stand "the hard stuff"

usually stay with what they started drinking. Around here, that tends to mean beer.

hard liquor

There is no such thing. I think the bigger issue is the lack of good education. If kids weren't constantly lied to about the dangers of pot, they wouldn't be so surprised to find out how harmless it really is and then start questioning the dangers of other drugs.

As for beer and hard liquor...well most of the people I grew up with got drunk off hard liquor first. Cherry Brandy here. Can't even smell the stuff now without gagging.

I began the discussion by telling them how great drugs make you feel. I wanted them to understand the allure, for without that recognition I feared they'd discount what I told them about the detriments.

If you wanted to look at it a certain way, yes.

I don't think it is, but I can see the argument.

There is a very strong correlation between breathing and alcohol/drug usage. Although it's true that breathing does not always result in abusing alcohol and drugs. Still the statistic that shows all people that abuse alcohol and drugs also breath, it becomes very clear that the real and only solution to stopping alcohol/drug abuse, is to force people to stop breathing. It will only take about 3-5 minutes, and all abuse will end, as well as the waste of our precious tax dollars to fight this tragedy inflicted on the human soul.

:rofl:

They may say; I don't abuse alcohol/drugs, why should I have to stop breathing? My answer to this would be; stop being selfish and self-centered, the way to stop the abuse is for all to stop breathing, no exceptions.

If some would slip away and continue to breath, it's only a matter of time and abuse will begin again someplace else.

It's the only way to be sure.

Edit to add: The Republicans can be the first, as well as the nannies in the Liberal side of the aisle. Then when these people have inspired us with their dedication to the ideals, one of those of us left, can suggest; hey, sure there is abuse, but how exactly is that a problem? Then the rest of us can sigh with relief, the real solution has been found. Abuse is not the problem, it is our insistence on perfection that is the real problem.

Don't worry, be happy.

everyone knows that beer ain't drinkin'!

Hell, that shit's practically clear!



See: "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance." via Mojo Nixon...

is its' attempt to find out if beer is a gateway, or a route to alcoholism? Either way I agree it is a disease.

now, i'm alcohol-free...but i'm not an alcoholic, nor was i ever a "problem" drinker...i just don't like the stuff and what it does.
plus- i take daily pain medication that makes it impossible anyway.

I was in my twenties and thought it would be cool to make old fashioned fruitcakes with whisky. So I bought a bottle, and had some leftover. Gosh, it was nice! There followed several years of exploration with single malts, etc. That was enjoyable.

Now I find hard liquor too harsh, so I guess I went through another gateway, and now I drink wine only. Never did like beer much.

Is there a secret purpose to this thread???

For teens susceptible to alcohol abuse:
If hard liquor is accessible to teens, they'll drink that.
If beer is accessible, they'll drink beer.
If wine is accessible, they'll drink wine.

Hopefully, they aren't so desperate for booze that they resort to any non-legitimate alcohol. Most teens are not that desperate.

...as if they do not have any judgement? All teens are susceptible to drugs and booze, all teens do not drink and do drugs. Your opinion is really out of wack. And if they do drink, not all of them drink to get drunk. It is not so black and white as you think. Maybe the arguement should be teens who have no self control, or no self esteem.

Did I make it sound like I meant a lot of teens would do that? I suppose I should have made it clear that the majority of teenagers are not as reckless as that. Sorry if I offended you.
Some teenagers also sniff glue and spray paint (notice the word some.), which most of us agree is a far more desperate act than drinking.

Nonetheless, there is the small percentage who will drink whatever alcohol is easiest to obtain.

My main point was that alcohol is alcohol, whether it's in the form of hard liquor or beer.

perhaps wine mixed with something.

Why is alcholism mentioned in the options? You don't have to be addicted to something for it to be a drug - it just has to have a non-nutritional effect on your body. Strictly, alcohol is the drug, and everything else the delivery system.

If i use the same rhetorical device to label all alcohol consumers "alcoholics" people notice,
they object, reasonably... indeed. And then the lesson is not that all drinkers of harder
alcohol are not automatically alcoholics, but that the takers of cannabis and other drugs
are not "stoners", "addicts" and "junkies".

Is alcohol the drug. I'd say the original substance is the drug:

1. grain/hops
2. grapes
3. potatos
4. sugar cane
5. cactus
6. corn

When alcoholics drink, ones who drink a lot, people who can down churchillian whisky volumes
and still function, beer is not the drink, and they tend to forego beer for something with a
bit more punch... so its fair to say that hard drinkers move on to heavier fare, and that
the lighter "beer culture" that is sold as the idylll of all western nations, smiling and
drinking that beer, is just indulging in another gateway drug.

Frankly, and I am a recovering alcholic, beer never was my thing. I didn't like the taste, didn't like the smell, and it made me wildly sick if I drank the amount I wanted to drink. On the other hand, vodka, now that was the goods. Beer didn't lead me to vodka, vodka lead me to vodka. Once I tried that, no other alcohol existed if it was around. I would bet I drank about 1/10000 as much beer as I have vodka.

Maybe back when beer was legal for under 21 your theory might hold some water, but not now. It is no harder to get hard liquor than beer for most kids and thus most kids will drink their preference. For most it is the hard lemonades and wine coolers.

I know quite a few alcoholics and they drink whisky in volume and beer lightly. I Am
speaking to what i know. In british culture, beer is always the chaser, the starting order,
and a faitful standby.

But you make the point i'm making here, that some people just get in to heroin and cannabis
was not a gateway drug at all. The gateway theory is bunk and i'm just bringing up the
same gateway theory for y'all more alcohol-related persons to debunk... but the argument
is morally equivical, and beer is as unrelated to alchohol abuse as cannabis is to hard
drugs use.

Whether I Smoke A Pipe, Cigar, Cigarette Or Out of A Bong, I'm Still A

nicotine addict.

Realllllly strange, that.

The first alcohol I ever tried was Jagermeister, so for me no, beer was not a gateway to hard liqour.

Then alcohol, then the weed...

Next is usually the harder stuff.

Bass Ale Rocks!!!!

Before you know it, the kids are drinking juice, then soda, then coffee, then beer, then liquor, then they start smoking cigarettes, then weed, then cocaine, then they start using crack and meth and vote Republican.

no it isn't a gateway drug for most people

but an alcoholic who starts with beer, may turn to liquor to get a better and cheaper buzz

after all, you only rent beer

:sarcasm:

The opiate drugs...

From cannabis, opium, heroin, and all the perscription derivatives have varying
strengths and addictiveness, much like how different alcoholic drinks have different
but scaled highs.

Its more than alcohol, and that is simply not true that its the same drug. If you don't
believe me, then try: drinking 1 full bottle of mezcal. And on a later date, drinking
a similar dosage of absynthe, and on a later date, drinking a similar dosage of hot sake.

The other chemicals in the disstillate affect the "high" intensely, and its more than
just alcohol. It is fair to say they are separate drugs, all of them in their own
right, much how cannabis would be like wines, hundreds of varieties and growing conditions,
and these too, are not one class. Opium addicts are not just taking heavy cannabis
dosages, but arguably, some weeds can produce an opium-like high.

Cannabis is no more a gateway drug, than beer is, its a false conundrum that i felt would
expose for many folks, the hipocrisy of the "gateway" drug strawman.

:wtf:

:beer: on a hotter than hot damn day!

But I'll have a good potato vodke or anejo tequila (served neat, please) any day of the week.

My favorite vodkas right now:

Zubrowka (Polish)
Monopolowa (Austrian)
Tito's (Texas)

My favorite tequilas right now (all anejos):

Corralejo (Mexico)
Corzo (Mexico...)
Oro Azul (Mexico!)

At a nearby pub, they brew their own beer, and i have been really liking "beers",
not guiness.. but like mcewan80, tennent velvet. Johnsmiths even.
I don't care for light lager where they've skimped on the hops to keep it bland..
i guess i find that my palate is sliding towards bitters, slowly over years...

I wish i had your tequila selection. :-)

You may be right. I do enjoy a beer at one of our local microbreweries now and then. Although, I do not like dark beer much. However, a good "black and tan" does hit the spot now and then. There is an Irish pub in Austin that serves a mean corned beef and egg sandwich... combine that with a "black and tan" and you're set. Of course, when I am at parties, nothing quite satisfies like a Bud Lite from a keg and pizza. :)

As for the tequila, it took some time (and trial and error) to find the ones I enjoy. The anejos are the best, IMO. I like the smoothness and the character of the aged ones. Corralejo is, I believe, produced at the oldest distillery in Mexico... 1755 is when it began, I believe.

well, never really liked it. To me, beer was the gateway to wine. Thanks, beer.