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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:15 PM
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In an attempt to gauge the effectiveness of the War on Drugs in America...
How many people who are so inclined have any problems in obtaining their drug of choice?
(let's leave quaaludes out of the discussion)...
and by that, i don't mean for purely personal economic reasons- if you had the cash, how long/much trouble would it take for you to get your high of choice?

btw -on a seperate side note- is there any special reason that the word "gauge" is NOT in the spellchecker dictionary? try it.
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noshenanigans Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:39 PM
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1. 1 phone call
And if that guy for some reason is out, it would take 2 more calls. Easy peasy. Of course I only use a "drug" that's not addictive and whose most dubious side-effect is a way of making Hostess Cupcakes too appealing and sucking the day away listening to the Beta Band.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:46 PM
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2. it is really a pain in the ass to get hold of some LSD
Meanwhile, there is cocaine everywhere. I don't like cocaine, and couldn't afford it even if I did.

Really good pot seems to be harder to find these days, too, and overpriced, but I'm hardly the smoker I used to be, so I really don't have any regular connections.

However, if you see the "War on Drugs" as an excuse to imprison black men, you'd have to grudgingly admit that it's been "successful".
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:50 PM
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3. I would have no idea how to get ANYTHING.
But I suspect that has less to do with the so called War On Drugs than with my being a dork.

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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:28 PM
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4. Not too much trouble...
for most things, but I agree - acid is just way to hard to find these days. It was always the most bang for the buck.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:29 PM
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5. Did you know LSD is relatively easy to make?
Just sayin....
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:34 PM
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7. i've got lots of flying saucer and heavenly blue morning glories out back.
and bags of seeds i've collected...
but no initiative to synthesize.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:47 PM
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9. well...it's relatively easy to synthesize ether, too
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 02:47 PM by anarch
but I wouldn't try it at home....



A little something from erowid:

Making LSD.

LSD is not easy to make. If you're seriously interested the
various methods of synthesis can be found in chemistry journals (see
the Merck Index for a list of references). Also, the book _Psychedelic
Chemistry_ (available from Loompanics, Unld. -- see end of FAQ list)
has some rather good, referenced info on how to synthesize LSD.
However, do expect to be in *way* over your head unless you've had
at least a few years of college chemistry.
Please don't post asking for "simple" instructions on how to make
LSD. There aren't. And if you *needed* "simple" instructions to make
LSD, you're probably not a good chemist and shouldn't be attempting
to synthesize it.
Also, the synthesis instructions in The Anarchist Cookbook are
about 90% bullshit. The "synthesis" given is at best a recipe for the
extraction of Lysergic Acid Amides (which is not LSD), and some have
commented that the instructions are still flawed and dangerous. Also,
the reproduction of the patent on how to make LSD has reported to be
flawed -- please don't trust the A.C and order the patent for yourself.
The A.C. in general is something which is best to avoid.
An alternative to synthesizing LSD is using LSA from morning
glory seeds or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. See the natural highs
FAQ for more info on this. Also see the book Psychedelic Chemistry
for a simple procedure to extract the LSA from the seeds in order to
eliminate contaminants.


http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/faq_alt_drugs.shtml
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:32 PM
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6. i haven't tripped in...decades.
not sure that i'd be up for it anymore either- maybe some shrooms- but i wouldn't be up for a speedy acid high...

i thought i had read a couple/few years back that acid was making a big comeback...

maybe not.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 03:51 PM
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11. It was, however-
"American LSD usage declined in the 1970s and 1980s, then experienced a mild resurgence in popularity in the 1990s. Although there were many distribution channels during this decade, the U.S. DEA identified continued tours by the psychedelic rock band The Grateful Dead and the then-burgeoning rave scene as primary venues for LSD trafficking and consumption. American LSD usage fell sharply circa 2000. The decline is attributed to the arrest of two chemists, William Leonard Pickard, a Harvard-educated organic chemist, and Clyde Apperson."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD#United_States:_1970_to_2003
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:04 PM
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13. we got ours from a chemistry grad student in lawrence ks...
back in the early 80's.
his then fiance was a friend at u of illinois. very good, very fresh windowpane.

in this case- it seems strange that two people would be responsible for it all- and that nobody would have "stepped up" to fill the void.

what's the mushroom market like...? anyone?
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:08 PM
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14. I think it's regional
as far as shrooms.

You can still find LSD, there's just not as much of it being made these days, so it's harder and costs more. It will take time for that void to be filled, I'm sure.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:45 PM
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8. You've ruled out economics
that's my only problem, but, I've got a garden :smoke:, so even that really isn't an excuse.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 03:45 PM
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10. if you haven't sown yet, you've missed this year's planting date.
in the northern hemisphere, for outdoor growing- june 1 is the optimal date to plant.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:18 PM
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17. Been planted for months
:) the fruits of my labor will keep me off here though, I can't type for the life of me when I've got a buzz going. These days, I consume less than when I was younger, I could run through an oz in no time at all, now a bud will last all day.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 03:59 PM
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12. As far as I know...
Pot, coke, meth are widely available. Ecstasy is pretty available from what I've heard, though I've never tried it nor have tried to buy any- not interested.

Shrooms, I believe, depend on what region you are in.

LSD is hard to find, and so is opium (and it's derivatives.)
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:11 PM
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15. i remember some friends in college turning me on to "synthetic opium"...
at least that's what the guy who was selling it was calling it...it came in big hard chunks, and was amber in colour.
luckily for my friends, i had played string bass in jr. high, and recognized bow rosin when i saw/smelled it...(i assume it was getting them "high" by coating their lungs, and cutting off oxygen to the brain- or something to that effect)

it wasn't so lucky for the guy who had been selling the shit to people...he kinda left school pretty suddenly.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:14 PM
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16. I've heard the same thing about "red opium"
which was just incense. In fact I think there's a warning about it on erowid.org, if I'm not mistaken.

Real opium though- man I would never do heroin, but just smoking a little opium sure is sweet.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:19 PM
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18. i think that opium is actually more common in europe
it's always been harder to come by here in the usa...except maybe in the 60's, when the cia could use the military to smuggle it in from the golden triangle.

too much money to be made in heroin, i 'spose.

hash/hash oil are other not-so-common things in the states that are more common in europe.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:21 PM
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20. I could get heroin in 10 minutes from where I sit
But a lot of it is laced with fentanyl. I'm glad I don't do illegal drugs because I think I would like them too uch. Oh, if I ran, I got be in a bar in 30 seconds.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:30 PM
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22. I stand corrected then
:).

I just never hear about it- and I know opium is hard to find, so assumed heroin must be.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:33 PM
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25. heroin is fairly plentiful.
at least here in the big city...
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:21 PM
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19. I could get practically anything within a few hours,
sometimes a day - If I was so inclined.
With the exception of prescription meds, they don't have the same availability.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:26 PM
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21. Prices haven't gone up since the late 80s
Even when everything else doubled in price. Good weed is still about 50 an eighth, shwag about 20 a quarter. Powders hover at the 100/gram mark. Acid's around five a tab, shrooms vary but usually cost like good weed, and ecstasy is 10-20 per hit.

Drugs have become a great bargain compared to things like rent and groceries. I think it's because stiff sentencing laws motivate dealers to drop large quantities at a discount.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:32 PM
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23. You are probably right
about dealers dropping large quantities at a discount.

Last time I bought acid it was $10 a pop.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:39 PM
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24. Acid is a weird situation
It costs about $100 in materials to make about 50,000 hits. The "chef" and his immediate contacts thus have almost total discretion in setting the price. It goes to compensate them for their legal risks more than anything else.

Very few people develop an acid habit (it does happen and can be pretty terrible). There isn't a daily or weekly market for it like other drugs. It also varies tremendously in potency so that a "hit" can be anything from cocktail (100 mics or so) to earth-shattering (500 mics or so).

Honestly I haven't priced acid in a long time; a big market and availability has a lot to do with it. In the neo-hippie 90s, and especially when there was still a Grateful Dead, it was less rare than now. I remember acid being around 10, then dipping to 5 when a lot was around, and then I stopped seeing it--so I imagine it's back to 10 or higher.
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