Abducted Soldiers Were Heinously Tortured

Apparently, according to CNN, the abducted soldiers were so severely torured that the bodies were not even visually identifiable and DNA tests had to be done to verify the indentities. They were dumped by a power plant and were booby-trapped. How sad. God I sure hope those those sick bastards didn't videotape their savagery.

toward Geneva Conventions will bring.

"Violence begets violence" as they say.

Horrendous, this entire mess we've created.

and, of course, we made this claim when they launched sunny gitmo, too, and we were called traitors. :grr:

The * cabal has opened a very dangerous Pandora's Box, under the guise of an 'enemy combatant'. :puke:

mutilting their prisoners long before Abu Grabe.

I'm sure Russian prisoners in 1980 having their heads sawed off after 24 hours of torture were thinking that if only Bush wasn't president they'd be treated kindly.

And since we're talking history the historical background of beheading goes beyond Russia in the 80's.

http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/behead.html

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Beheading was widely used in Europe and Asia until the 20th century, but now is confined to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Yemen and Iran. Saudi Arabia publicly beheaded 33 men and 1 woman for murder, rape, sodomy and drug offences in 2004. (See Saudi Arabia below). One man was beheaded in Iran in 2003 – the first for many years.

Beheading was used in Britain up to 1747 (see below) and was the standard method in Norway (abolished 1905), Sweden (up to 1903), Denmark and Holland (abolished 1870), and was used for some classes of prisoners in France (up until the introduction of the guillotine in 1792) and in Germany up to 1938.

China also used it widely, until the communists came to power and replaced it with shooting in the 20th century. Japan too used beheading up to the end of the 19th century prior to turning to hanging.
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However, my statements were in regard to THIS war. Nick Bergs beheading happened less than TWO WEEKS after revelations about Abu G. You go ahead and consider that a "coincidence" I know better and so does Michael Berg.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/opinion/article/0,1375,VCS_125_4778144,00.html

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Nick was an independent contractor, not associated with Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin or the U.S. military. Nick was arrested by the U.S. military without reason and then illegally detained for 13 days. While he was in custody, the revelations of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal became public.

These revelations ignited the resistance in Iraq and made it impossible for Nick to get home alive.

Once released, Nick was swiftly murdered — on videotape, by a hooded man now believed to have been Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — in retaliation for the atrocities alleged to have been committed at the Abu Ghraib prison. The president's contribution was to order then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales to rewrite definitions of torture essentially ordering these sins, and he did so with impunity.

Though Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says he took responsibility for the resulting atrocities, no consequences were imposed on him, but they were on my son and everyone who loved him. This is not the way it's supposed to be.
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So let's talk Iraq and leave Russia out of this huh?

is so evil and shameful. Bush gave the example of widespread, systemic torture of human beings, and now the terrorists are -- predictably -- following his Skull & Boner Occult Evil example.

Impeach the AWOL WMD liar.

God bless our soldiers. May they rest in peace, now that they have suffered needlessly because of Bush's WMD lies, and his Wholesale Torture Policies.

but if you think they were merely following bushco's example, you're wrong. People are capable of hideous things. History is replete with examples. They didn't need bushco to set the example.

...they realize that torture is just plain WRONG.

ironically,
Bright

What's the point in getting a right-wing hardon for more killin' if you can't demonize liberalism?

Not excusing any of this, but after all the documented atrocities by the Coalition, shit like this was just bound to happen.

... and it is indeed atrocious.

End this barbaric war NOW. Bring them home!

But BUSH sowed it.

I wish to Dog that he would reap his own grain.

And that's what the terrorists see themselves fighting, the U.S. government.

In the past the terrorists would just behead their prisoners. Now they're torturing them first. I wonder where they got that idea from?

How many more will have to follow them into the next life to satisfy this filthy Administration's lust for power?

How many more will have to die?

When will America rise up and say, "Too much!"

When will this barbaric and costly war end?

Today is the most heartbreaking day in quite some time. My heart aches for those soldiers and their families.

We do not have to occupy Iraq to strike Al Quada targets wherever and whenever we identify them. Independent of, and in addition to, our strike capability; its my view that if we left Iraq; the baathists there would slaughter any Al Quada or jihadist they could find as part of a consolidation of power. Amateurs like me should not have to be the ones putting forward these ideas; what the fuck happened to the professionals who are suppose to make these analysis' and be handling these things. Iraq is the Katrina of foriegn and military policy.

... the Bushoilini cabal will also use this rationale to license more atrocities and war crimes.

It's as ethically bankrupt as children in the back seat claiming "he did it first, Mom!" When one of those 'children' is a 300-lb gorilla and the other is a fragile 3-eyar-old, guess where the greater obligation lies.

when the effect happened as much before the cause as afterwards.

What you must also be saying is, "Before all the documented atrocities by the Coalition, shit like this was just bound to happen."

Responsibility and guilt extend as far as they extend; assuming more responsibility and guilt than is appropriate is not a healthy act.

It's difficult to believe that people can do things for reasons other than the ones we find acceptable, and base their actions on other principles, texts, or assumptions. They may use the same rational, they may not; so far, 'may not' seems to have the upper hand.

And only the beginning.

I confidently predict this will happen over and over and over until we leave.

And note they were dumped in a power plant. This was safe because there is almost no electric power anywhere but Baghdad, and there it is only occasionally online.

So are babies with 50 caliber bullet holes in their heads. The Iraqis have every right to defend themselves and the Bush cowboy attitude is not helping. Is it right for them to torture and kill captured troops? Of course not but when you back it up with Abu Ghareb, pregnant women being killed on the way to the hopital, children murdered in Haditha....it goes on and on. I call it the Rodney King syndrome. Before the riots broke out after the Rodney King trial there were many smaller incidents around LA that included: a 13 year old black girl being shot and killed for a pint of milk, an old black woman with a knife being shot and killed because they were coming to turn off her electricity and so when you finally had the video of King being played over and over and over and then the police were found innocent or not guility...KA___BOOOOOOOM! The same thing is going to happen in Iraq you can count on it.

that size round will pierce an engine block.

the baby's head would vaporize in a pink misty cloud.

And I've seen the pictures.

inoperable in their wars...... THAT is how low this has gotten.

Their blood is on his hands, as well as the bastards who did this.

I pray for the families.

We need to get out of Iraq NOW.

Payment will be in the form of blood.

that is all I know... So sad, so many deaths, all for the lies of the WH....

gotten us into? That children are being MUTILATED!!!!!!

Fuck George Bush and God Damn his black soul to hell.

If I were the parent of one of these boys, I could rip this entire administration apart limb by limb.

In Vietnam it was SOP for US forces to booby trap the bodies so when their women and children came for them they would get maimed and mutilated as well. I am not speculating, I know this as a fact..Just a few of the things Kerry spoke of with his meeting with Congress.

Thanks to Idiot in Chief

the administration "it's just a number" /sarcasm

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savagry in 50 years - we did those kids in on our own.

We threw our reputation for decency into the most chemically polluted waters of an unbridled corporations - with the help of reverends, politicians, media, banking, intelligence takeover, and our military.

the bodies were found, requiring DNA to verify. Here's the reference story: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/3985104.html

horrible.

Only a week after releasing photos of Zarqawi's dead body.

And naturally they will miss the irony and hypocrisy of the whole thing.

with this administration that I can't see straight. Good thing we got Zarqawi, huh?
Has anyone else noticed that all of these dispatches from the "terrorists" are supposedly "posted on a Web site which frequently has carried such messages from insurgent groups" but the website is NEVER named? Where does the info really come from anyway?

It's to keep people from visiting them, creating copy cat versions of the sites, linking to them and for intelligence gathering.

If you really want to know the name of the web sites, go to Al Jazeera's web site. They give out the names of the sites.

It's something I've been wondering about for a while and I'd never seen the topic discussed before.

provides to such sites. I'll bet there's more of that on their Arabic language site. Or even Google in Arabic (if there is an Arabic language version).

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The geneva convention is MOOT!

Thank Addington and Gonzales!

Really. Unless you sign them, they're simply irrelevant.

The Iraqi insurgents, whatever their affiliation, and al-Ansar before them; the Taliban ... discussing them in the context of the GCs, except to say, "they have not signed them and are not responsible for abiding by the rules of conduct prescribed in them" is a waste of air or bandwidth.

The Iraqis never murdered American prisoners during the first Gulf War. I don't remember the Iraqis killing unarmed American captives before the Abu Ghraib story came to light.

So when it come to how we act, the GCs and the provisions contained in them are relevant.

Whether or not the US abided by the GCs or didn't is thoroughly meaningless when it comes to whether or not the Iraqis will abide by them; that's the general topic of this threat, IIRC, and what I was address.

We have no expectations that they would abide by the GCs; we have no right to those expectations. Furthermore, the treatment of hostages in Iraq has seldom been in accord with the GCs. And you know what? It's not a valid concern; in accordance with generally standards of behavior generally accepted in the west, sure, but that's a completely different matter.

One's moral. One's legal. And people keep confusing the two notions.

because they killed Al-Zarqawi. :sarcasm:

our own country by our own.

Welcome to the torture contest.

And no one is talking about negotiating a peace treaty. We have no leaders, only some voices.

Nothing could be more torturous to the Bushies than the abscence of war.

Torture is always a terrible thing. Nobody deserves to be turtured no matter what reason it was done for. Getting back at the US for torturing prisoners at gitmo/abu is no excuse for what was done to those men. The soldiers at gitmo/abu who carried out torture have no excuse either. There is no reason torture should ever be used by anyone for anything. It is an inexcusable offense being carried out by both sides in this terrible unnecessary conflict.

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Welcome to DU!! :toast:

by bush.

bush has done irreparable harm to the military -- and two grunts had to pay in the worst way than we can ever imagine.

Oh -- but these guys were just numbers.

If the only way to identify them was through DNA testing, doesn't that process take more than a couple of hours?

when we find out if the bodies had their heads.

I was tremendously saddened to hear this news today.

there may be many more to come....

It can't be justifies, but it certainly is to be expected that the occupied nation will do whatever it can to get the illegal occupiers out. More misery that is 100% the fault of the Bush administration.