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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:36 PM
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47% of Americans would "Definitely vote No" for Hillary, Kerry or Gore.
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:39 PM by Clarkie1
(CNN) -- With the presidential election more than two years away, a CNN poll released Monday suggests that nearly half of Americans would "definitely not vote for" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Respondents were asked whether they would "definitely vote for," "consider voting for," or "definitely not vote for" three Democrats and three Republicans who might run for president in 2008.

Regarding potential Democratic candidates, 47 percent of respondents said they would "definitely not vote for" both Clinton, the junior senator from New York who is running for re-election this year, and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the party's candidate in 2004.

Forty-eight percent said the same of former Vice President Al Gore, who has repeatedly denied he intends to run again for president.

Among the Republicans, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani fared better than the Democrats, and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush fared worse.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/19/poll.presidential/index.html

When Democrats who are this well-known have such high "definite no" percentages, it would seem to indicate Americans want a new face with a new direction to lead the Democratic Party. Or could just this be a bogus poll and/or MSM propaganda?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:38 PM
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1. See you at the polls.
I think the candidates named above will keep on raising money, gathering supporters and doing what they think is right.

I doubt they will be discouraged by this early poll.

Let them all run and let the voters sort it out.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:39 PM
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message: Hillary can't win
don't believe it.

Like Hillary or hate her, or be indifferent to her, let's not believe the media's ridiculous lies about her.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:50 PM
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15. Actually Hillary had the highest "definitely vote for her" percentage
So the news wasn't all bad and add to that 63% would never vote for Jeb and this poll actually made me smile....a little ;-)
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:39 PM
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2. It's just another one of CNN's divisive polls
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:44 PM by politicasista
to keep dems divided and take the focus off Blinky and Iraq.
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:40 PM
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3. Yeah and where was Gore in the poll?
Can't trust this crap anywho.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:41 PM
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4. I suspect when we finally have a candidate, it will be a new face.
Similar to when Clinton showed up on the scene for the 1992 election -- he just swept in and took over -- it was very exciting.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:03 PM
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21. Clinton was pretty lucky to have that timing, BEFORE corpmedia controlled
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 02:04 PM by blm
most storylines, and DURING the years of bad press for Poppy Bush with IranContra and BCCI headlines.

Did Bill ever thank Kerry for those investigations? Oops....of course.... now I remember.... Bill closed the books for Poppy Bush, so the American people could never hear the full story of their crimes against the constitution. That worked out so well for Democrats....and the 9-11 families, too.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:42 PM
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5. we don't know the context of the questions
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:43 PM by MissWaverly
Like if Al Gore was selected and was running on a platform of having a national draft, would
you vote for him.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:43 PM
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6. On the upside, about John Ellis Bush...
As for Bush, brother of the current president, 63 percent said there was no way he would get their vote.

63%!

Isn't this more newsworthy than the high-forties that you'd expect anyway for well known Dems like HRC and Al Gore?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:43 PM
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7. hogwash -- CNN's poll'ees would never vote Democratic!
because they prescreen them to make sure they are deranged republicans.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:43 PM
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8. Definite NO 19 months before the first primary and more than 2 years
before an election. I guess CNN did not have anything better to do.

We'll see what happens at the polls.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:44 PM
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9. Either this poll is a load of bollocks...
Or 47 percent of Americans are recalcitrant assholes.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:44 PM
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10. i won`t vote for any of them in the primary
if fiengold is running. if not- gore maybe , kerry and clinton-never
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:48 PM
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11. On the other hand Hillary had the highest positive rating with
22% who would definitely vote for her,19% would definitely vote for Rudy, 17% definitely would vote for Gore. 14% would definitely vote for Kerry. 12% would definitely vote for for McCain and 9% would definitely vote for Bush.

It's no wonder that Rudy is rated so high, since 9/11 the press has done nothing but give him positive press--in many ways, the same is true for McCain.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:48 PM
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12. Where is our own straw poll?
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:55 PM by chill_wind
Do we have one? Will we ever? Too soon? Altogether taboo? Just wondering.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:49 PM
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13. How many for Frist?
Or Jeb?
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:49 PM
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14. So many voters that I have influence with, will NOT support the extremely
conservative Clinton, I despise the DLC and both the New York Senators and Lieberman, Biden, Feinstein...They ALL make me want to throw up...

These are NOT FDR progressive liberal Democrats...

They are bought and paid for corporate democrats!! Fuck all of them!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:51 PM
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16. We'll see ..... I heard there is a book coming out from those who were
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 01:52 PM by blm
slandered along with Kerry by the swiftliars. The swift boat crew and all the other captains who also led crews with Kerry in those battles. POWs who were being held at that time also dispute the swiftliars' version of what they were being told in prison.

There is also the story of the former swift who recanted and tells of the lies they were being fed and which he could no longer remain quiet.

We'll see how the public reacts to the REAL STORIES of all these men who also have the ACTUAL NAVAL RECORDS to back them up on every word.

They were the forgotten targets. Let's hear what they will have to say, shall we?

We'll see......
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:54 PM
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17. How about Jesus?
I think 47% of Americans would vote against him as well. Why do people waste their time on foolish polls like this?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:57 PM
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18. Jesus has a lock on the wino vote...
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Lusted4 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 01:57 PM
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19. The only CNN poll I would consider
would be the 10'ft pole I'd use to change the channel.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:02 PM
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20. Americans want a new face with a new direction to lead the Democratic Part
Please, don't let this out. So many DUers are tied to the past. We would not want to disappoint them.

Hell the whole damned country is ready to go in another direction except the DUers who want to turn right and get the joe sixpack vote.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:19 PM
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22. The real question is
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 02:20 PM by iconoclastNYC
Which candidate would win the base of the party, the activists?

Hillary? No.
Kerry? No.
Gore? Maybe.

The activists are the ones who follow politics closely and form thier oppinions early. We influence our friends, family, and neighbors to get involved and to vote.

Gore has made all the right moves to win over the activist base.

His leadership on Global Warming really signals to me that he's put the consultants in their place and aims to start refighting the battles our party long ago capitulated.

We can't continue as a party unless we recapture lost ground to the Republicans and Global Warming was a great place to start.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:34 PM
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23. Is Gore now an Open government, anti-corruption Democrat?
That would be a huge step forward for him, since Clinton did so much to close the books on all BushInc's crimes during their two terms. Is Gore readying to tell the truth about that now?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:37 PM
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25. Good question.
Hard to know.

It's sad how hard it is to get answers out of politicians. I'm not sure anyone but Feingold would do much to open up government.

I'd prefer Feingold over Gore but I'm not sure the global ruling order will ever let a true reformist liberal get elected.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:40 PM
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29. I didn't know Feingold was an open government Democrat. That's good.
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 02:41 PM by blm
When did he come out for open government? I don't recall him saying anything when the CIA drugrunning was an issue in the mid90s and Clinton helped sweep it under the carpet. Was Russ just not saying anything in deference to a Dem president?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:52 PM
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34. I'm not sure.
But I think it's useful to note that anything that falls under the Rubric of "National Security" is pretty much the third rail of American politics. I think most people in office know the real reasons why certain people are killed in small planes and such.

The National Security Act really opened up pandoras box. I'd love to see it repealed.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:36 PM
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24. Well , I will wait and see! I don't read much into polls at this point! n/
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:38 PM
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26. No this just means Hillary, Gore or Kerry can't win
There's enough anger from the left at Hilary, and enough anger from the right against her to make her unelectable.

Gore and Kerry - people are taking the attitude that they lost the first time (they didn't) so why vote for them again?

Personally, I see Edwards as the only one who could pull it off. We need more than a slim majority - with Diebold in the mix we need a clear landslide.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:42 PM
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31. No - we need NO ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES - we need paper ballots.
.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:48 PM
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33. Yes, I agree
But I'm not confident that will happen before 2008.

If it does, great - but I'm not holding my breath.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:40 PM
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27. All people hear all day is how evil Hillary is
Its no wonder the polls suggest this.

I cant remember the last time Ive heard anything positive said about her on media. Its always negative press when her name is mentioned. Makes me believe the corporate media fears her more than anyone else.
IMO thats a positive thing. If They hate her she must be good for us.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:40 PM
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28. Sounds about right to me.
Hillary, Kerry, Gore wouldn't stand a chance. If they get the nomination, we'll lose.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:41 PM
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30. Meaningless drivel.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:43 PM
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32. i'm definitely part of that 47%.
although- i might be able to be persuaded to possibly consider maybe voting for Al Gore.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:53 PM
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35. Put them up against Republicans and then see what happens
Strange how the Repukes fair better in this poll
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:06 PM
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36. The poll's meaningless for 2008, of course.
Too early, too many things change.

But it does raise an interesting point ignored by most polls. Going into an election, it's not just the three-way split usually reported that's important (for candidate 1, for candidate 2, and undecided).

An 'undecided' may be undecided between voting for candidate 2 and not voting, and not be in play for candidate 1. Or 90% of candidate 2's voters may be in the 'never for candidate 1', with the only option for candidate 1 being to make candidate 2 unpalatable and get his voters to simply not vote.

The results of this kind of poll this time in the presidential election year would be more useful.
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