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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:19 PM
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Think about this. I am sure the Iraqis have
The US imposes a dusk until dawn curfew for all Iraqis living in Baghdad which means the soldiers own the streets.

When the sun comes up ten headless Shiites are found scattered throughout Baghdad.

Next night same curfew. Same lock down.

The following morning a dozen headless Sunnis are found scattered around Baghdad.

So who is doing this stuff? The Easter Bunny?

Don
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:21 PM
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1. something is happening here and it ain't exactly fear
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:21 PM
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2. Someone who makes Jack the Ripper look like Mister Rogers.
Can you imagine what it is like when 'they' come for you!?!? :scared:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:23 PM
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3. Iraqi soldiers and police aren't subject to the curfew. NT
NT
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:24 PM
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4. The new government.
There are wide spread reports of this new "democratic" government kidnapping and slaughtering people.

So much for the "stay and support the new government" argument.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:37 PM
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5. Do you reallly think
that there are enough forces to lock down a city of over 6 million people? Are you seriously suggesting that it isn't sectarian violence but American troops that are doing this?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:01 PM
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9. I think the guys our government trained would do this kind of stuff
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/June/11%20o/Kucinich%20Points%20to%20Iraqi%20Death%20Squads%20as%20an%20American%20Operation%20By%20Mike%20Whitney.htm

Kucinich Points to Iraqi Death Squads as an American Operation

<snip>That changed on May 4, 2006 when Congressman Dennis Kucinich gave a speech on the floor of the House which linked the Bush administration to the death squad’s in Iraq. Reading from a long list of newspaper articles he had compiled, Kucinich provided a detailed account of America’s disturbing undercover war. Naturally, his speech was shunned by the major media and consigned to the memory hole. It outlines the extent of America’s complicity in the ongoing slaughter and asks us to question whether any additional involvement can be morally justified.

June 15, 2005 -- Washington Post reports that U.S. forces had knowledge of secret and illegal abductions of hundreds of minority Arabs in Kirkuk. The abductions were by forces led by Kurdish political parties and backed by the U.S. military.

June 20, 2005 -- Los Angeles Times reports that Saad Sultan, of Iraq Human Rights Ministry said that police and security forces attached to the Iraqi Interior Ministry, thousands of whom have been trained by American instructors, are responsible for abusing up to 60% of estimated 12,000 detainees in prison and military compounds. He says the units have used tactics reminiscent of Saddam's secret intelligence squads.

July 3, 2005 -- Reuters News reports that the government of Iraq publicly acknowledged that the new security forces were using torture. Article further says that accounts are common of people being seized by armed men in the uniforms of the police, army or special units like Baghdad's Wolf Brigade police commandos, and then disappearing without trace or being found dead.

November 17, 2005 -- Newsday reports that in the past year, the U.S. military has helped build up Iraqi commandos under guidance from James Steele, a former Army Special Forces officer who led U.S. counterinsurgency efforts in El Salvador in the 1980s. The brigades built up over the past year include the Lion Brigade, Scorpion Brigade and Volcano Brigade.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:41 PM
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10. So you think they're good enough at what they do
to own the streets, and bad enough to completely ignore orders?

At the same time, aren't most of them infiltrated? But then again, few of them report to work.

"Washington Post reports that U.S. forces had (fore?)knowledge of secret and illegal abductions of hundreds of minority Arabs in Kirkuk. The abductions were (both?) (1) by forces led by Kurdish political parties and (2) backed by the U.S. military."
You're claiming they had foreknowledge and read it to say that the abductions were backed by the U.S. military. The first needs additional evidence, and the latter interpretation is not the default assumption ('low attachment') most people use in building their interpretation of a sentence. The simplest reading is that the forces were backed by the US military, which is distinct from saying that every aspect of the forces' conduct is coordinated or even approved by the US military. Other readings are available; but less likely without a further context.

The devil's in the details. Far too many details, far too many devils. Where people wind up on this depends more upon initial assumptions ('context') than the facts.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:38 PM
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6. It must be the tooth fairy Don. She deals in
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 06:39 PM by vickiss
teeth thus she needs those decapitated heads.

And you are right about the curfew, very strange.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:45 PM
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7. Critical thinking is treasonous Don!
Why do you hate duh'murikkka, Don?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why must you ask logical questions?
You commie librul!
BHN
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:52 PM
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8. That was not an example of critical thinking.
That involves thinking things through. Applying Occam's razor is also desirable.
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