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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:48 PM
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Repugs That Support Amnesty For GI Killers
First here is the amendment's wording:

SEC. 1209. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON THE GRANTING OF AMNESTY TO PERSONS KNOWN TO HAVE KILLED MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES IN IRAQ.

(a) Findings.--Congress makes the following findings:

(1) The Armed Forces of the United States and coalition military forces are serving heroically in Iraq to provide all the people of Iraq a better future.

(2) The Armed Forces of the United States and coalition military forces have served bravely in Iraq since the beginning of military operations in March of 2003.

(3) More than 2,500 members of the Armed Forces of the United States and members of coalition military forces have been killed and more than 18,000 injured in operations to bring peace and stability to all the people of Iraq.

(b) Sense of Congress.--It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) the Government of Iraq should not grant amnesty to persons known to have attacked, killed, or wounded members of the Armed Forces of the United States; and

(2) the President should immediately notify the Government of Iraq that the Government of the United States strongly opposes granting amnesty to persons who have attacked members of the Armed Forces of the United States.


Now the roll call. Note the Senators who voted Nay. It's like a roll call of the craziest of the Repuke Crazies.



A big hat tip to AmericaBlog. Here is the post on there. http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/06/19-republican-senators-think.html
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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:50 PM
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1. WTF McCain???????????????????
hAS HE LOST HIS DAMN MIND???????
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:59 PM
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3. He's fucking insane....I think that the torture he experienced is
bringing back flashbacks and messing him up real bad....this guy is not stable...he is desperate for power...
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:06 PM
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5. Who knows who McCain is pandering to any more??
Heck even Frist, Kay Bailey, Coleman, Hatch, Roberts, Santorum and a couple of other KoolAid drinkers had enough sense to vote for the resolution. It's particularly newsworthy today after the execution of the US POWs.
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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:55 PM
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2. Kicked and Rec'd
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:59 PM
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4. I'd have voted NAY also, I think....
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:14 PM by mike_c
1) American military personnel are occupying Iraq in contravention of international law-- their presence is a war crime; 2) Iraqis have not only the right, but the duty to defend themselves against foreign invasion and occupation; 3) the preamble suggests that U.S. personnel are "serving heroically" and that they have "served bravely," but I don't see any heroism in service to a crime against humanity. There is no heroism in serving fascism and neocolonialism. Personal bravery, yes, and in spades no doubt, but there is no honor in the cause they serve. Finally, 4) Iraq is a sovereign nation-- it is not the U.S. congress's business to meddle in their decisions about wartime amnesty-- unless the U.S. seeks a puppet regime under its control. But of course, we've disavowed that over and over, haven't we?
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:08 PM
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6. Somehow....
I don't think that is the reason why the 19 Senators voted Nay.

When you put it that way, I'd have voted Nay also! :)
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:12 PM
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7. why shouldn't they be granted amnesty?
They were attacking those who invaded their country and murdered their kinsmen. Of course they should get amnesty.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:03 PM
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8. No amnesty for people fighting invaders that now occupy their country?
WTF? Wake me when it's over.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:06 PM
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9. I'm with McCain on this one. We need to stay the fuck out of Iraqi
government business if they are truly a free nation. And if the shoe were on the other foot, what would we be saying? This is war, damn it!! That's what the Bushbots keep telling us when our soldiers massacre innocents. Just think, if we were not in Iraq, they couldn't attack our soldiers.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:43 PM
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10. OK I agree that we occupied Iraq...
and they should have the right to run their own country but the point of the post was the hypocrisy of the Nay voters. Do you really think they voted Nay for the same reasons you state?
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 11:55 PM
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11. Thanks. I've changed my viewpoint thanks to the responses...
You ARE right that the Iraqis had their country occupied and blown all to hell. I've said it before that if someone did that here, it'd be Red Dawn all over again. We'd fight for our country especially if the other side was torturing our countrymen, arresting and holding innocent people as POWs for years in places like in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, hiring mercs that kill innocent civilians for fun and videotape it, Haditha, etc.

Two American soldiers were captured and perhaps tortured before they died/were killed. When I heard that I was angry but my anger was misdirected. It should be directed towards an administration that condones torture, suspension of basic civil rights and trashing of the Constitution in the name of greed.

Dialogue is a wonderful thing. Thanks Again.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:24 AM
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12. It is absolutely NOT OK to grant amnesty to those who kill American troops
while they are still on the ground in Iraq!!!

Not just NO, but HELL NO!!!!
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IndyJones Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:33 AM
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13. It seems so obvious. Why while the troops are there? That's insane.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:37 AM
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14. I know, but have you read some of the posts on this thread? What are
people thinking?!?!

I feel pretty confident in saying that they don't have a loved one in the military in Iraq!

If the Iraqi government wants to give amnesty to people after all of our troops are out of there, then that will be their business, but you NEVER say you will give amnesty to anyone who kills American troops while they are actually still there on the ground! Truly unbelievable!
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:50 AM
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16. Still it is THIER country....
and we're the occupying force. I'd do my best to fight invaders in my country if it ever happened here. I'd also welcome anyone that wanted to help in the fight. Yes two American troops were killed yesterday. I'm angry about it and you're angry about it as we all should be. I still think the anger should be directed towards the administration that sent them into this illegal war and then mishandled it to the point where we and all of our troops are in more danger than ever before.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 AM
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17. That's not the point. The point is that as Americans who have our troops
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:16 AM by peacebaby3
in harms way on the ground in Iraq, you do not support a country giving amnesty to anyone who wants to kill them while they are still on the ground over there. That's horrible.

I'm just as against this war as you are...believe me. I had to send my husband over there to risk his life for this bullshit, but I can't believe that anyone would say that is ok to kill our troops on the ground over there. That is exactly the message if you say to people that if they kill American troops they will receive amnesty.

It is understandable after a "war" (or whatever you want to call this stupid cluster fuck) that to end it and try to bring everyone to the table for a clean start that you would offer amnesty at that point, but you do not say to people that you are giving them a license to kill your troops that you sent there while they are still trying to survive and do the "mission" that you sent them there to do. Most of the guys and girls are just trying to survive and get back home to their loved ones and their own country, people, and government are saying we don't really care about you.

I am completely outraged!

On edit:

As far as who the anger regarding the deaths of the two soldiers should be aimed at, it lies with both this administration and the people that actually tortured and killed them. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. These are the same people that killed Tom Fox, the peace activist and missionary, who was there to help the people of Iraq. Why the hell did they kill him? He wasn't an occupying force. The * administration are one side of evil and these people are the other. The rest of us are stuck somewhere in the middle. These 2 young men, 23 & 25, were probably just typical guys and they were brutally tortured and killed. We have no idea what got them into the service and over there or how they felt about the "war." I wonder if they would have become members of Iraq War Veterans group that speaks out against the war? I guess we'll never know now. While we should absolutely hold * and his minions responsible, we should also hold the people that brutally tortured and murdered them responsible as well.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:38 AM
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15.  The recommends aren't registering on this thread? I tried twice.
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