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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:36 AM
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Kerry can make up for his mistakes...bring up the Downing Street Memo!
If Kerry really wants to make up for his 'mistakes', he needs to do everything he can to wake people up to how corrupt this administration is....starting with the Downing Street Memo!

These bastards wanted a war, and the DSM illustrates that they would do anything to get it.

Kerry has the media attention, now it the time to hit the backwash with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:38 AM
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1. He pushed for action on the DSM
back when it was first revealed. He was one of the few in the Senate to do so.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:39 AM
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2. He did.
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:42 AM
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3. What did he do?
I remember he said he would bring it up on the Senate Floor and then backed down.

I am talking about now. Instead of playing defense in the media, go on the offense! There is so much material to go on. If he needs some info, ask Dennis Kucinich.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:44 AM
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4. He also needs to apologize for the MISTAKE of conceding too soon
He did not, as promised, make sure that EVERY VOTE WAS COUNTED. We now know for a fact (and many of us knew in Nov. 04) that they were not counted- not even close and that had he waited, he would have been President by now. Rather then embracing the election fraud evidence and supporting the RFK Jr. piece in Rolling Stone, he has, as with almost every other elected official, ignored or brushed off the entire issue.

Even though he has apologized publicly for supporting the war in Iraq initially, this is not something I am able to let him off the hook for. Not until he states what I truly believe he is totally aware of- the 2004 election was stolen. Period.
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:48 AM
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8. absolutely agree!
He was/is such a disappointment. His idiocy borders on collaboration.

I was just trying to give him and his supporters an avenue to pursue. If Kerry wants to play the hero he needs to tell the whole damn truth! And that includes the election fraud.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:53 AM
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11. wait a minute!
In your original post you state that JK can 'redeem himself' by bringing up the DSM. After it is pointed out to you that he already has, you raise the stakes; Now Kerry has to also apologize for his 'early concession' of the (probably stolen, but hard evidence or whistleblowers thereof lacking at the time) election.
Why do I get the feeling that even if he did apologize for conceding too soon, it would still not satisfy you.
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:12 PM
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16. I guess I didn't just mean bring it up- I meant expose the corruption!
I want him to take Bush and his cronies down- do all the things he didn't do in the election season.

This country is in trouble! The Democrats need to stop playing nice, it isn't working.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:48 AM
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9. I think there were problems with the election
But it has not been proven that it was stolen. We will never know all of what happened and some of it, while sleezy as hell, was legal.

I have seen convincing evidence that the Republicans played tricks in '04 to tamp down the Democratic vote. I have not seen convincing and conclusive evidence that the election was stolen. Even RFK's article in the RS didn't prove this, it suggested that it might have happened, but the evidence to prove this doesn't exist.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:34 AM
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26. You're kidding, right? You think what happened in 2004 wasn't fraud?
Even after the RFK piece in Rolling Stone?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:35 AM
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27. I think what she's saying is that we still lack the smoking gun
A whistleblower, perhaps. Conclusive evidence that would hold up in a court of law. Evidence that does more than suggest. Evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Well, even if that's not what she's saying, it's what I'm saying, at least in regard to why a certain Senator didn't leap forward, being a former prosecutor and all.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:03 PM
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15. No, BUSH needs to apologize for STEALING the election EOM
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:45 AM
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5. This administration needs to go down NOW!
before the next 'election'....before they attack Iran!

Kerry has the spotlight- bring the bastards down NOW!

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:45 AM
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6. This happened last year.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/515

June 22, 2005
The Honorable Pat Roberts, Chairman
The Honorable John D. Rockefeller, IV, Vice Chairman
United States Senate
Select Committee on Intelligence
SH-211

Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Roberts and Senator Rockefeller:

We write concerning your committee's vital examination of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures. In particular, we urge you to accelerate to completion the work of the so-called "Phase II" effort to assess how policy makers used the intelligence they received.

Last year your committee completed the first phase of a two-phased effort to review the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Phase I-begun in the summer of 2003 and completed in the summer of 2004-examined the performance of the American intelligence community in the collection and analysis of intelligence prior to the war, including an examination of the quantity and quality of U.S. intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the intelligence on ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorist groups. At the conclusion of Phase I, your committee issued an unclassified report that made an important contribution to the American public's understanding of the issues involved.

In February 2004-well over a year ago-the committee agreed to expand the scope of inquiry to include a second phase which would examine the use of intelligence by policy makers, the comparison of pre-war assessments and post-war findings, the activities of the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) and the Office of Special Plans in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the use of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress.

The committee's efforts have taken on renewed urgency given recent revelations in the United Kingdom regarding the apparent minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security advisors. These minutes-known as the "Downing Street Memo"-raise troubling questions about the use of intelligence by American policy makers-questions that your committee is uniquely situated to address.

The memo indicates that in the summer of 2002, at a time the White House was promising Congress and the American people that war would be their last resort, that they believed military action against Iraq was "inevitable."

The minutes reveal that President "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The American people took the warnings that the administration sounded seriously-warnings that were echoed at the United Nations and here in Congress as we voted to give the president the authority to go to war. For the sake of our democracy and our future national security, the public must know whether such warnings were driven by facts and responsible intelligence, or by political calculation.

These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth.

We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.


Signed by Senators Johnson, Corzine, Reed, Lautenberg, Boxer, Kennedy, Harkin, Bingaman, and Durbin. (And Kerry, of course.)
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:19 PM
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19. These letters don't work!
Kucinich keeps writing letters too...and they all end up in the round file.

They need to do something more bold! Take it to the American people. Screw congress, they live in a bubble. We need to pop it so that they are all standing naked with Bush in front of the world BEFORE the next 'election'.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:47 AM
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7. Kerry mentioned it on Meet The Russert a while ago
I ain't huntin' for the transcript, but I know he did...

Well, OK...here's some:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/07/AR2005060700474.html
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:51 AM
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10. not mention....hammer them with it - like Rove would do
If Kerry wants to lead the opposition, start going on the offense. Why can't the dems come up with their own talking points and go after the liars in charge? Who cares how the corporate media reports it. Who cares what Hannity or Limbaugh say about it. They represent the backwash.

Go on the steps of the capital and start speaking the truth loudly! We have critical mass now. Start speaking for WE THE PEOPLE! dammit!@
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:53 AM
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12. You really should worry about Kucinich leading! Btw,
why hasn't he stopped the war and gotten the DSM investigations rolling? Why?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:55 AM
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14. Gee, I saw Kerry do this twice this year.
So sorry you weren't there. Once was at Faneuil Hall in Boston when he gave a brilliant speech that called out Bush and his supporters for their dismissal of dissent and for continuing to back a war that we should be withdrawing from. I saw the Senator from Massachusetts give a modified version of this speech last week at the TBA conf.

He is one of the strongest voices in Congress right now on this issue. (Geez, why do you think the New York Times took after him in today's edition? It's because he is a powerful voice that is calling for a change in the Admin's policy on Iraq.)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:17 PM
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18. You're right! It seems that everytime a Dem brings up the DSM
it's almost a footnote. It has to be explained and repeated and if the interviewer tries to change the topic, there should be no budging!!!!
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:12 PM
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20. exactly!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:54 AM
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13. Kerry should also bring up BBCI.
The connection of Bush families and underground terror network.
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 12:15 PM
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17. That would be excellent!
The BCCI and Iran contra folks that Kerry worked to expose are still going strong...running the country and the world.

Sometimes I wonder if he took over 'investigating' so he could let them continue what they are doing, sort of like Bush in the election.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:18 PM
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22. This statement is bordering on lunacy! n/t
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SavetheUSA Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:27 PM
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23. You really have to try to lose an election to Bush
It would have been so easy to expose Bush during the election season, but Kerry would not.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:42 PM
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25. You were just criticizing him for election fraud! Lunacy! n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:16 PM
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21. Kerry did speak of this on several talk shows - He also
referenced it in his letter demanding that the Intelligence report part 2 be done. Only 9 other Senators signed. Kerry has raised this more than anyone else.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 03:38 PM
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24. And then what
Surely you'll have another hoop for him to jump through to make up for his "mistakes."
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