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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:44 PM
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U.S. gun owners accuse U.N. of July 4 conspiracy
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/international/ticker/detail/U_S_gun_owners_accuse_U_N_of_July_4_conspiracy.html?siteSect=143&sid=6834232&cKey=1150927708000

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Americans mistakenly worried the United Nations is plotting to take away their guns on July 4 -- U.S. Independence Day -- are flooding the world body with angry letters and postcards, the chairman of a U.N. conference on the illegal small arms trade said on Wednesday.

"I myself have received over 100,000 letters from the U.S. public, criticising me personally, saying, 'You are having this conference on the 4th of July, you are not going to get our guns on that day,'" said Prasad Kariyawasam, Sri Lanka's U.N. ambassador.

"That is a total misconception as far as we are concerned," Kariyawasam told reporters ahead of the two-week meeting opening on Monday.

For one, July 4 is a holiday at U.N. headquarters and the world body's staff will be watching a fireworks display from the U.N. lawn rather than attending any meetings, he said.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:47 PM
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1. What a bunch of raving, screaming, howling lunatics.
How IS it that people who are that stupid don't die because they forget to breathe?

Redstone
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:49 PM
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4. This is how.


Unfortunately that's about the limit of their brainpower.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:54 PM
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11. Heh, heh. Excellent.
Redstone
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:21 PM
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19. Screw the guns......these people should be stopped from reproducing.
Unbeliveable.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:47 PM
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2. To me, that says a lot about the pro-gun rights group's average
intelligence.

Now where did I put that asbestos overcoat?
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:49 PM
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5. If you think you may get flamed for an assholish blanket statement,
why make it?
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:51 PM
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8. Yay! I works!
(But it's really itchy)
;)
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:02 PM
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15. Careful of dehydration,
drink lots of water. :D
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:50 PM
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6. Here's the proof to support your claim
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:54 PM
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13. Yikes!
These are the sort of cretins that should not have access to anything much sharper than Crayons muchless a firearm.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:33 PM
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20. Wow. They are living in a WHOLE different world over there...nt
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:51 PM
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9. Hey, I have a spare you can borrow. I simply cannot believe that those
dipshits are actually running around saying The UN's gonna take our guns! The UN's gonna take our guns! The UN's gonna take our guns! The UN's gonna take our guns! The UN's gonna take our guns!"

Sigh...

Redstone
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:17 PM
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22. What is Bolton up to
is this his response to recent comments from the UN.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:19 PM
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28. There is a huge sign up in someone's yard
in a neighboring city that reads "US out of UN: The UN wants your gun!"

The sign has been there for at least 5 years.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:49 PM
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3. I had not heard of that.
But then again I am a gun owner who loathes the NRA, so their conspiracy theory bullshit means nothing to me.

Sounds like LaPierre has been spending too much time on the PrisonPlanet site getting fitted for tinfoil beanies.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:54 PM
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14. I'm another gun owning liberal who loathes the NRA
And I'm no fan of Heston but I echo his favorite line.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:31 PM
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23. What line, the "Lynch Al Gore" one or Christian white heterosexual one?
Heston Suggests `Lynching' As Appropriate Response to Al Gore's Gun Policy

WASHINGTON - October 20 -"Now, (Al Gore is) saying 'I'm with you guys on guns.' In any other time or place you'd be looking for a lynching mob." The crowd responded with "let's do it" and "I've got a rope." -- The Grand Rapids Press, October 17, 2000 quoting NRA president Charlton Heston and describing audience reaction.
Handgun Control released a new report today, "The Gun Lobby and Race: Thinly-Veiled Bigotry," revealing the extremist message of the gun lobby. The report shows a clear pattern of appealing to violence, racism and bigotry through National Rifle Association (NRA) official speeches and literature. Just this week NRA president Charlton Heston used words tinged with racist overtones. Despite often bragging of his presence at the 1963 March on Washington with Martin Luther King, thinly veiled hateful and racist arguments have been a staple of his public appearances for several years. In a 1997 speech titled "Fighting the Culture War in America," Heston provided some insight into the NRA's apparent message:

"Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your sword and fight for them. These people have precious little time to and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for woman to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other..."

Heston's words were even quoted on former Ku Klux Klan Wizard David Duke's Web site.
------------------snip---------------------
<http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/1020-03.htm>

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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:32 PM
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25. same here.... can't stand the NRA ...
check out this group.. www.huntersandshooters.com as an alternative


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:50 PM
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7. This is the other side of The Base.
Or the other 17%. :evilgrin:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:52 PM
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10. surrender your guns, the blue helmets are coming ...
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 05:57 PM by tocqueville
resistance is futile. While they are at it, they'll drink your beers, eat your barbecues and probably rape your women and daughters...

NRA people are nutcases...
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:09 PM
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16. They are coming in black helicopters to take your guns !!!!!!
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:12 PM
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17. Yep, you're right. After all, the UN has that fleet of 10,000 black
helicopters, and two million blue-helmeted soldiers...and those soldiers, they're all BROWN PEOPLE, so they're DEFINITELY gonna want your (white) wimmen.

Redstone
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:54 PM
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12. Don't look for a report on this in the U.S. media
They know better than to taunt a bunch of armed ignoramuses for their stupidity.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:14 PM
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18. Exactly how..
.. do they think this was going to happen? Black helicopters swooping down on every street, knocking on doors?

Theoretically, there isn't even a database of gun ownership. Were they going to bring in gun-sniffing dogs into everyone's home?

Jesus some people are stupid.

I'm a Democrat, liberal and the proud owner of many firearms.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:03 PM
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21. Wasn't it enough that Bush embarrasses us constantly on the world stage?
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 07:06 PM by mcscajun
Now we have 100,000 postcards sent by nearly illiterate cretins who believe some Internet nonsense from the NRA?

GAH!!!

This is what I get for NOT supporting the NRA and being a literate, thinking person who also happens to be a gun owner; I hadn't heard Peep ONE about either a conference or any conspiracy to take my gun.

I echo the earlier sentiments regarding morans and the autonomic nervous system; if their lungs relied on conscious thinking to run, these cretins would be extinct.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:31 PM
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24. And now you know why they're called gun nuts....
The source of this idiotic claim is NRA chairman Wayne LaPierre, by the way.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:33 PM
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26. We need strongerr gun laws.....
Like, if your not in Law Enforcement, you cant have a gun.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:13 PM
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27. To quote Plutarch,
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 03:15 PM by benEzra
Пάλιν δ̀ὲ̀ του̑ Ξέρξου γράψαντος 'πέµψον τὰ ὅπλα' ἀντέγραψε 'µολὼν λαβέ'

(Plutarch, Moralia, III, Apophthegmata Laconica, "Sayings of Spartans")
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:23 PM
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29. There are indeed some misunderstandings...
but there is also a kernel of truth. The International Action Network on Small Arms, the NGO that has a great deal of influence on the agenda of the UN Conference on Small Arms, IS trying to put gun control on the table at the conference. FWIW, IANSA is the group that brought sweeping gun confiscation to Australia.

Here's what they have to say about the direction in which they wish to push the conference, from IANSA's own web site. Some relevant excerpts:

http://www.iansa.org/members/IANSA-media-briefing-low-res.pdf

Governments should agree to:

• Promote gun owner responsibility by requiring all firearms to be registered. Individuals permitted to own guns and ammunition must be held to account for their security, use and misuse.

• Define minimum criteria for private ownership of guns with a national system of licensing. These should include proven capacity to handle a gun safely; knowledge of the relevant law; age limit; proof of valid reason; and a security screening based on criminal record or history of violence, including intimate partner violence. Licences should also be required for ammunition.

(benEzra's comment: How many of us gun owners could "prove" to the government that we have a "valid need" for a particular gun?)

• Prohibit civilian possession of military-style rifles, including semi-automatic rifles that can be converted to fully automatic fire and semi-automatic variants of military weapons.

(benEzra's comment: Parts (a) and (b) of this statement have been law in the United States for many years, as such weapons are tightly controlled by the National Firearms Act of 1934. But part (c) would outlaw the most popular civilian target rifle in America. Worse, most U.S. gun control groups interpret this to mean banning ALL civilian rifles with handgrips that stick out.)

• Introduce safe storage requirements to prevent gun accidents, suicide, misuse and theft.

(benEzra comment: And also to prevent self-defense. They're talking about requiring guns to be always unloaded, even if locked in a safe, with strict inspection requirements.)



And where they want this to go (again, excerpts):

Elements of effective national gun laws: an example from Australia

• Gun ownership should require a licence obtained by meeting a series of criteria which include a minimum age, a clean criminal record, undergoing safety training and establishing a genuine reason for needing to own a gun.

(benEzra's comment: How many of us gun owners could "prove" to the government that we "need" a particular gun?)

• When deciding whether to grant or renew a licence, police can take into account all relevant circumstances.

• People convicted of assault are banned from having a gun licence for five years. (benEzra: Existing U.S. law bans gun possession for life under these circumstances, not 5 years. No problems there.)

• All guns must be registered at time of sale or transfer and when the licence is renewed.

• There is a 28-day waiting period to buy a gun.

• ‘Genuine reason’ must be proved separately for each gun, effectively imposing a limit on the number that any one person can own. (benEzra comment: see above. And if you can't "prove" you "need" all the guns you lawfully own, the guys with machine guns and black body armor come to YOUR door to collect them...or else...)

• There are strict requirements on how guns must be stored. (benEzra comment: And the requirements they have in mind don't allow defensive use.)




I have no problem with the U.N. Conference on Small Arms, but I have a big problem with IANSA, and if IANSA brings these proposals to the table--as they clearly wish to do, since they attempted to do so at the last meeting--then yes, I would oppose it. IANSA did bring gun confiscation to Australia, and they have made it explicitly clear that they wish to accomplish the same thing here, using the Convention on Small Arms as a vehicle if they possibly can.
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