Why should Christian Churches make Gay Rights Agenda over WAR

and it's Consequences?

They can't seem to do BOTH...so they pick one and leave the other languishing allowing the Baptist Far Right to make War THEIR ISSUE and leaving Gay/Female Rights up to the MS Protestant Churches who didn't have the BALLS to Challenge BUSH BOTS over INVADING SOVEREIGN COUNTRY AND KILLING THOUSANDS...HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EVENTUALLY... Because "GEORGE II" is a FOOL and MORON!!!!!!

There's no record of him mentioning gay marriage or abortion. There are a lot of modern day pharisees in the modern Christian establishment.

That's what I call them--Pharisees. They sure don't seem to know the Seven Woes very well, since they act them out every day.

if you tell your parishners to take care of the poor that's less money they will give to the church.

And you gotta keep 'em scared...accepting gays will mean you kids could "turn" gay...ick. So give generously.

Shouldn't there be a middle that takes care of our "Common Souls" and how we interact with PEOPLE and the WORLD OUT THERE?

Have we become "Single Political Issue" Congregations? :shrug:

We don't tend to, as a rule, though. The Eastern Orthodox Church is just too out there for us to get all caught up in single issue politics. Are there Orthodox working on that? Sure, but they're fringe groups. I stopped getting the evangelical Orthodox magazine because of that, but they're not getting many on their pro-lifer bandwagon, I've noticed.

The Episcopal Church, I just saw..refused to ban Gay Priests.

I can't tell you how many fundies I've met that actually think a gay person is more dangerous than Osama with nukes.

They are bitter over the lose of the numorus failed Crusades and Inqusitions to take control of the Holy Land. Instead of sharing it with respect to one another, they would rather try and kill each other dominence over the region. Compeltely against the entire strcutor of the religions basic principles. "thou shalt not kill"..

The bible says nothing about abortion, never has. It actually advocates the killing of childern, in reality of the text it also states when life truely begins, its not conception either. Is says clearly that life does not begin until You take your first breath:

7 then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Gen. 2:7)


Anti-abortionists commonly call a fetus a baby, and then condemn abortion as “baby killing.” From that leap they quote out of the Bible as if the Bible unanimously condemns baby killing. This sampling shows that the Bible has at times encouraged baby killing.

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. (Num. 31:17)

34 And we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed every city, men, women, and children; we left none remaining; (Deut. 2:34)

53 And you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and daughters, whom the LORD your God has given you, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemies shall distress you. (Deut. 28:53)

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’” (1 Sam. 15:3)

12And Hazael said, “Why does my lord weep?” He answered, “Because I know the evil that you will do to the people of Israel; you will set on fire their fortresses, and you will slay their young men with the sword, and dash in pieces their little ones, and rip up their women with child.” (2 Kings 8:12)

I am an Atheist and often find that when dealing with fundamental cultist it is better to know more about their religion then they do. Most will deny or even twist the text to say what ever they want it too. But that just goes to show how much the book was written to mean something different to everyone, something usually different then others. Thats obvious when you look at all the different denominations of Christiandom...

A good follower and true believer will NOT damn you for who you are or be critically judgemental of your life style. The ones that use their faith as a smoke screen for their hatered should have their hatered return back to them x10. I once read the Satanic Bible, it is quite the read and I recommend it, the Satanic Bible as written by Anton LaVey is not what you think it is. From that book I did take a couple things and apply it to my life:

"If you are smite you on the left, smash them on the right."
"If you are bothered once, ask them to stop. If they continue, crush them."


In light of my religious travels I came to one conclusion, ALL religion serves the same basic fucntion: CONTROL. They are social control systems over the masses and I will not be controlled by false devils and gods or superstitions, if one does choose to follow a faith, so be it. I will not try to convience anyone not to unless I am asked and that should also apply to people of faith, more so Chritians and their recruitment tactics and fear mongering.

IMHO. The few Relgious who did: Quakers and United Church of Christ had small voices in the Media who preferred to whore for the Fallwell's, Dobson's and that other jerk whose well known but whose name escapes me. I think of him as "Mr. Smiley Christian" of the Cables and his Son has now taken his place...Oh...Pat Robertson...

Anyway....I'm an Episcopalian...and the "Church of Intellectual Discussion" has become the Church of the Division.

I'm left with the "UU's" and the Quakers and United Church of Christ. None of which I'm comfortable with...but then I think many of us NON-Fundies are having problems finding "sanctuary' with all the divisiveness going on. Yet, Killing Innocents takes back seat to "Social Issues" that seem to be more Important. Maybe the "Social Issues" are Most important to many...but can't we find a way to deal with BOTH? How can we condone killing innocents for Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Strike (against all New Testament Teachings I spent years in Sunday School learning)...to deal with Gay/Lesbian Issues and Abortion. Shouldn't we be able to deal with ALL of these issues and not subjugate one set to the other? Should Gay/Lesbian Issues Consume the Church over Killing and Maiming folks from another culture who did nothing to harm us? Or, should we see both issues as the same as an Invasion against Humanity?

:shrug:

Organized religion is a BUSINESS. A for-profit BUSINESS. Jesus Christ said oh-so-clearly that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Christ also said that a man cannot serve God and mammon. Christ chased the money-changers and lenders out of the temple, not the homosexuals or the prostitutes. The money-changers.

I always read that as Him having trouble with people taking advantage of the faithful as well. Makes me think that some need to be praying for mercy and doing what they can to repent.

... **** is a christian :sarcasm: and gay rights is a christian agenda... beside that

Can anyone say "Smokescreen"?????

How many churches don't have an American flag up front? I haven't been in very many that didn't have it somewhere close by the altar. Most churches I've been a part of have a very strong nationalistic bent.

It's mainly about their need to be persecuted. The Gospels make it clear that good Christians are going to be persecuted for their faith, so in order to feel like they're good Christians, they need to see a bogeyman around every corner trying to hurt them. It's stupid, really, as it's only hard to be a true Christian in this country because of materialism (in my experience, anyway). They ignore that or even incorporate it into their faith (heresy, btw) instead and then look outside of their comfortable little church communities to see enemies everywhere.

Fear and guilt keep many people in the pews and then down at the altar rails at the end of ranting sermons. They just can't see that Jesus wasn't about us living in fear and guilt but instead love. Sad.