Thread #3, Kerry/Feingold Iraq resolution

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#2 here

blah blah blah, delighted to have this debate, can we go to dinner now?

'cause I am stupid

that were operating in Iraq.


There were NO TERRORISTS in Iraq, because Saddam wouldn't let ANY of Bin Laden's people INTO Iraq and that is why Saddam was on Bin Laden's hit list, too, you dumb ass.

I can't believe the media lets them get away with the CONSTANT STREAM OF LIES.

things bush said before running, while running, and after being appointed?

things like no war without a good plan, no war without a clear goal and exit strategy?

all those quotes and video clips of him....saying those things?

Msongs
can you sing?
www.msongs.com/vocalistwanted.htm

such as Bill Frist when he criticized Clinton for going to war in the Balkans without a clear plan.

Tom DeLay really said some things that we could now use to show what a hypocrite he is too. Also Newt Gingrich, but with regard to DeLay and Gingrich it is now mostly mute (unless Gingrich really does run for President of course).

win war on terrorism, etc.

Then they fight the Iraqis. The 260,000 Iraqi forces can handle the foreign fighters. Americans can still fight terror the way they are fighting terror in other parts of the world. The 25 million Iraqis can take care of themselves.

huh?

I'll catch KO in the a.m re-air...I'm on C-Span2 now :hi:

Sam Brownback has spent his life in the service of others. He was born in Parker, Kansas and raised on a farm where his mother and father still live. He was a leader in high school, in Future Farmers of America as state president, as student body president at Kansas State University and president of his class at University of Kansas Law School.

Sam served as a White House Fellow in the first Bush Administration and was the youngest Secretary of Agriculture in Kansas history. When he was 38, he was elected to the House of Representatives with the Republican Revolution in 1994. In 1996, he was elected to the U.S. Senate seat held by Bob Dole.

Chickenhawk First Class

now, back to listening to blah blah blah,

blah blah blah.

not time to leave, time to keep spreading the love because we debated and voted to invade Iraq so we can't process any new information and modify our decision. Things are going great in Iraq, determined to continue to get over that hump and be sucessful with americans help, etc....

(no measurable goals, no true leader, yeah, unconventional)

The following are the six key points contained in the unclassified overview:

• Since 2003 Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.

• Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq’s pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.

• Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market. Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for Coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out.

• The most likely munitions remaining are sarin and mustard-filled projectiles.

• The purity of the agent inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.

• It has been reported in open press that insurgents and Iraqi groups desire to acquire and use chemical weapons.

http://santorum.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.View&ContentRecord_id=1891&Region_id=0&Issue_id=0

in other words : NOTHING

Caused no damage via the chemicals.

Whoever had fired them didn't know what they had and the chemicals didn't mix (as they would have with a proper firing).

Just decade-old stuff laying around, probably buried next to some MiGs

Which one is this idiot saying?

Was his speech allotment deducted from Republican time or Democrat time?

Warner sang his praises so badly, I thought he was going to get on his knees and kiss Joe's Ass

full and complete victory of War on Terror will have those who made the ultimate sacrifice and their families feel good about it all. (I'm still unsure of what full and complete victory of the War on Terror means)

when we get control of 100% of their oil, complete construction of our mega-embassy, finish building all our permanent bases, invade Iran and maintain Republican control of Congress because Americans are convinced to "stay the course."

may have to share.

except the occupation of Iraq. Time to change the course.

over next yr. Respect message of Iraq's own elected gvt.

why this occupation must end. He is a good speaker.

Sovereignty, respect!

good speaker.

oil reserves, reduce attacks along pipeline, restore pipeline, Iraqis need stability to do this and get oil back up.

with his summation. Must see TV, folks. I haven't even been able to post on these threads because it has been captivating. Geek here.

The Ultimate Reality Show.

Let us remember all the (insert lie here about the invasion occupation) "we know where the wmds are" etc, military wanted more troops, "mission accomplished". Are we willing to continue to sacrifice the lives of young americans for (can't type fast enought) support lies and so this president (won't be embarrased?) or stand up for what we believe in?

of truth and clarity!

1. Saddam and his WMDs
2. transitioned by zarqawi and foreigners who took advantage of the situation and came to Iraq
3. 95% of war today is Iraqis against Iraqis
(?)

(about time)

way. Defending amendment, saying not says pull out and drop it all but a smart way to win the war of terror. Quit the slogans and do what needs to be done to get the job done.

..now drive it HOME fer chrissakes :loveya:

When the truth is spokem they run and hide.

If only he were where he should be.

and yes, he is on fire

Can we translate this to our '08 candidate.....both Gore and Kerry have been much better post OO/O4 campaign recently. As is my boy, Edwards.

What have we learned !?

whoever fights the hardest, with the best effect should be given the chance to serve.

That was a lose-lose situation too.

The troops believed in *that* mission too...today, they still want to be fighting that war :shrug: They still were in the '04 Election....and they still will be in the '08....and "they" will tip the scales to the GOP candidates, because, they can :(

families have said different things, stay, more, less, leave. Jargon and posturing and slogans are just bs.

hurting us in the war on terror, whole world with us on 911, whole world understood why we had to go to Afghanistan, but Iraq is different. Nothing to do with Afg/911 and everybody knows it. Wilfull choice to not question bad intellegence and they were wrong. Uncomfortable being abroad as American citizen.

unapologetic, informed voice in this debate.

He's really taking it to the Bush regime.

arrogance, I love that word.

we could be using it to work on our future

resolution is now out there. I hope this speech provides positive fodder for the newspapers and pundits tomorrow, if they even pay any attention. x(

question now is how to best protect our troops, deal with a problem of Iraq where Iraqis need to protect their own needs and interests.

Make sure you ask everyone you come into contact with tomorrow "Did you see John Kerry last night".

When they respond as to what they watched, "oh you watch the state run TV".

redefine for them. That is how the "Cons" took power from the "Dems" Newt Gingrich made this his major point right before the "Cons" took over power.

watches CSPAN. Even my husband walks out of the room shaking his head. x(

and hope that some other congress people might be listening.

the Iraq debate and the Dem ladies on Larry King.

our team being able to express themselves about Iraq.
(I know the Dem ladies are doing that also on LK)

Such a nice dilemma for a change!

Democratic Senators voices will not be heard because the Republican words will be played over and over on all MSM.

:hi:

anymore. Must have hit home with Warner.

Warner: This gvt hasn't been given a chance. Didn't see EU helping (he forgot poland). Don't see international desire to help.
Kerry: Legitimate question, deserves and answer. Many countries reluctant to get involved withUSA because they see the same mistakes I just recounted and don't see this admin (getting it right)

"Right Now" This would be a great song right now.
edit: lyrics

Miles between us here we are
Sat by side a stranded car
Right now, baby right now
And it's too dark to see
Anyhow so where are we
Right now,baby, right now
You could say we've both come down
To a place called lonesome town
When did you loose a hold on me
Anyhow and where are we
Right now,oh , baby right now

We stood up and said 'I do'
Vowed to see each other through
Right now, baby right now
I'm looking down this road tonight
And i don't see a light
Right now, baby right now
If we're so clever tell me how
Were waiting for the wrecker now
Let's forget what used to be
Anyhow and where are we
Right now,oh baby right now

Mark Knopfler Lyrics

:popcorn:

Kerry always makes great speeches. Too bad nobody listens.

I was stuck at work.

:hi:

...bitchslappin' that Warner dude :loveya:

He's discussing the matter intelligently with Kerry and not resorting to partisan attacks. I still disagree with basically every word that he is saying but I admire his civility.

seem to be asking and answering and actually doing to, not just posing.

Let them debate and they should put it all on network TV.

don't expect changed minds necessarily, wouldn't be suprised though, but this is how it is supposed to work, people talking together. And in semi-public. No throwing out catch phrases, but having a discussion.

And immediately think of KEEPING THEM THERE INDEFINATELY???

ANY SANE PERSON WHO TRULY CARES FOR TROOPS WANTS THEM HOME AND SAFE.

:grr:

getting the job done, is up to the individual. Some can do it easier, some less easily. Medical people do this in the Emergency Room. Warner seems 1 who will not let his feeling bad for individuals get in his way of seeing the group. I am not agreeing that this is good or right, just talking here. And I disagree with most of what he says as far as the occupation and what supporting whom really is.

It's over here:
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