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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:55 AM
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Wal-Mart Helps Defeat Minimum Wage

The great American tragicomedy that is Wal-Mart continues. Last fall, a diverse crew of suckers, ranging from the far-right editorialists at the Wall Street Journal editorial page to yours truly, took seriously CEO Lee Scott's call for a higher federal minimum wage. We speculated on why he was doing that, and whether it was in his company's interests. But there was another possibility we should have considered: that Scott's statement was absolutely meaningless and devoid of content. According to Wake Up Wal-Mart, of the 46 Senators who yesterday voted against raising the minimum wage (all of them Republicans), 42 have received campaign contributions from Wal-Mart. And the Retail Industry Leaders Association, an industry group of which Wal-Mart is the most powerful member, aggressively lobbied to defeat the minimum wage increase.

Then there's the news this morning, from the New York Times, that the company has hired one of its critics, former Sierra Club president Adam Werbach, who has in the past likened Wal-Mart to a "virus" and a "toxin." Perhaps I should send my resume.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:56 AM
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1. They are America's store!
Them and their damned :)
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:59 AM
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3. I was surprised that a lot of DUers shop there.
There was a poll here last week and there are democrats who actually shop there. I don't care what your excuse is, there's NO rationale for supporting Wal-Mart.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:06 AM
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12. Uhm, think about it a little more clearly, please.
I live in Northwest Arkansas (it's home base). It's almost impossible to find stores in NWA besides Wal-Mart, Fayetteville has a few and I try to use them as much as possible; however, a key to the issue is price. I do not have a lot of money and Wal-Mart offers prices that are low (at the expense of others I know). There is rationale for having to support Wal-Mart, that is the beauty of their fucking model. Back off with this haughty, liberaler than thou bullshit about Wal-Mart. Many of us just don't have any choices in that matter.

For example: Kroger wanted to open a store in Fayetteville. The council voted it down. Harp's and IGA are no significant risk; however, Kroger is. How do you think that worked?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:14 AM
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13. as the old saying goes, let your conscience be your guide.
If you vcan justify it to your own satisfaction, so be it. You are the one who must live with yourself. Obviously you have rationalized it to your own satisfaction. End of conversation.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:38 AM
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19. WHOA!!!!
"Back off with this haughty, liberaler than thou bullshit about Wal-Mart. Many of us just don't have any choices in that matter."

How about you cool your engines a little? Ever thought of getting the fuck out of NWA?
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:40 AM
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22. *dupe*
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 11:41 AM by cssmall
Self-delete
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:40 AM
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23. Actually, yes.
But, the problem is that I'm in graduate school in NWA. I have to wait until I'm done because the faculty is too good here. And, can you honestly afford to move unless need be? If I can't afford to shop with my conscience then how I can I afford to move? I'm not going to cool my engines until people realize nuances of situations instead of making black-white statements that wash the situation clean for their way of thinking. I understand thinking in bipoles is easy; however, it is not always correct.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:43 AM
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24. Thanks for clarifying.
I am not holding it against you for having to survive. Trust me - been there, done that. Good luck in school!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:36 AM
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18. My friends and
my sister's family all shop there but I don't. I made a stand a couple of years ago cause I didn't want to give money to big time bush contributors.

But, I'm lucky cause I work at a co-op(BLUE) in our small town, where I buy all my food and I shop online for anything else.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:58 AM
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2. Both Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln voted for min. wage (FROM Arkansas)
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 09:58 AM by jsamuel
and they tend to do what wal-mart wants

I also read somewhere that wal-mart actually wants the min-wage to go up and has stated so
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:00 AM
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5. I'd like to see proof of Wal-Mart's support for the increase.
They are all talk anyway. Just like the republican enterprise that it is.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:02 AM
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8. it was a post in one of the 100 threads on min-wage yesterday
I'll see if I can't find it...
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:03 AM
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10. Thank you!
:yourock:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:05 AM
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11. found it
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:05 AM by jsamuel
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/25/news/fortune500/walmart_wage/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1475516#1475765

"Even the CEO of Wal-Mart admitted he wanted to see the minimum wage increased."

(hehe, it was in my thread so I found it quickly :)
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:16 AM
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14. Excellent.
I guess I just have a hard time taking that man at his word. Given their history of not providing adequate health care coverage and their anti-union stance. I am SO glad we were able to keep them out of NYC. For now. Thanks for those links!

:hi:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:59 AM
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4. I don't understand. As far as I know, people are hired at WM at above
the current min wage. ast I heard their base rate was $6+ something. Other than simply exerting their influence, why would they bother???
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:01 AM
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6. Well, if the m.w. was raised to over $7 an hour...
they would have to comply. Correct?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:27 AM
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17. Yes, but it's supposed to be over several years, so they should expect
that expense anyway. I think this is just a mental thing. Pubs are supposed to be against mandated pay raises so they are! Logic never enters the picture!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:02 AM
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21. Because they pride themselves on paying more than minimum wage
not that they pay very well, but almost no employer pays minimum anymore.

Raising it to 7.25 would take minimum wage to their starting salary. So they would still be compelled to pay more.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:01 AM
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7. where can I buy Congressional leaders at every day low prices?
:grr:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:03 AM
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9. LOL!!!!
:rofl:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:16 AM
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15. For the purpose of comparison in the UK.
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:17 AM by edwardlindy
Edit was mis-spelt ASDA - go figure !

See note in first para. for increasee which take effect Oct '06 and also see note on worker's rights.
http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?r.l3=1074402393&r.l2=1073876962&r.l1=1073858787&r.s=sc&type=RESOURCES&itemId=1074403799

Main variations are age related. There are no Micky Mouse exemptions related to warehouse size whatever.

In the UK Walmart trade as ASDA and no I don't use them at all.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:23 AM
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16. I dated a guy when I was living in Chicago.
He used to be a buyer for them WAY back when. He said they are ruthless in their negotiating the lowest prices from the manufacturers. And then would turn around and mark it up 1000% from what their purhcase price was in buying in bulk. Not that I am opposed to someone making an "honest" buck. It's just that they are reaping HUGE profits and not providing adequate benefits to their employees.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:01 AM
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20. July Harpers Magazine: Wal-Mart is a Monopsony
"Monopsony is a state in which demand comes from one source. If there is only one customer for a certain good, that customer has a monopsony in the market for that good.

"Analogous to monopoly, but on the demand side not the supply side."

Definition from: http://economics.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-monopsony.htm

Wal-Mart has such control over their suppliers that they can dictate everything from how they package goods to what they charge competitors like K-Mart for their products.

This is bad for America because it discourages suppliers from creating new innovating products.

Wal-Mart also uses the threat of introducing a competing store brand if a supplier refuses to meet its demands. Coke and Proctor & Gamble are having this problem.

The article discusses anti-trust laws and how Reagan pretty well gutted them. Companies no longer needed vertical integration so they outsourced so much of their production. The magazine suggests that outsorcing is caused by lack of enforcement of anti-trust laws.

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