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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:24 AM
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DEMOCRATS VOTING NO TO KERRY/FEINGOLD PLAN
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:26 AM by LSK
REID, DODD, CONRAD, LEVIN, DORGAN, SHUMER, CLINTON

GET A FUCKING CLUE YOU SPINLESS STUPID FUCKING SCUM!!!!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

DEM LEADERSHIP SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS

HARRY REID YOU ARE A PATHETIC LEADER. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STEP DOWN.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:24 AM
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1. Alas, to be expected...
especially with the Levin amendment offering competition.

I only expected about half a dozen yes votes on Kerry's amendment.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:26 AM
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5. NEITHER WILL PASS - THE GOP IS UNIFIED
SO WHY THE FUCK VOTE NO???????????

IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:27 AM
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9. All right, all right. I know...
take the caps lock off, dude. I mean, this can't be that upsetting. Did you expect this amendment to actually pass?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:28 AM
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12. no, that is why the Dems should TAKE A STAND
Fat chance of that happening.

Sorry about the caps, Im having a Malloy moment.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:43 AM
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40. Folks could have expected it..
.. to fail along party lines.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:46 AM
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44. really?
I don't think a seriously objective look at the Kerry/Feingold plan would see it that way. Even the most optimistic, though objective, look would have to give the plan maybe a dozen yea votes. The Levin amedment really killed any chance of Demcoratic cohesion on this issue.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:56 AM
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62. Without timetables..
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:59 AM by sendero
... what possible good is it? Does it accomplish anything at all?

And really, I was being sarcastic when I said "folks could expect it to fail along party lines". Because the Dem senate isn't a party, it's a bunch of fucking shitheads who don't give any more of a shit to what is happening to America and the troops than Bush does.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:58 AM
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65. I'm not saying it does accomplish anything at all...
I think the Kerry/Feingold plan was excellent. I'm all for it. That's not the point. The point is whether or not it could pass, or even fail along party lines. My point is, with the Levin amedment offering perceived middle ground, it didn't have a prayer of doing either of those things.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:01 AM
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71. Well good..
... just wanted to see if I could start a flame war and you aren't going to let me. :)

Seriously, I'm getting sicker and sicker of Dems who suck. I think I'm going to send some more money to Lamont, we really need to inform a few Senators that their job is not guaranteed.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #71
77. I think that's a fine idea. If Lamont wins...
it will certainly send a message to the other do-nothing Democrats.


Oh, and by the way, I just saw your hometown in your profile. Did you say you wanted a flame war? Well then...


HOW 'BOUT THAT MIAMI HEAT?!?!?!

WOOOOOO!!!!!!!

:woohoo:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:11 AM
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86. Why you...
... son of a #$%@#$% :)

Well, the Heat barely, Barely, BARELY pulled it off, and they won't get it next year.

And I know the refs and the league hates Mark Cuban, and on some level I don't blame them, but that's no excuse to assess ridiculous penalties :)
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:41 AM
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35. Write him & politely ask him that question
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:47 AM by acmejack
Or call, perhaps I will do it and post here in a moment.

I am holding now, I spoke to a hapless staffer who has no idea why he voted the way he did and had been given no prepared response. She was not prepared to answer any of my questions, but suggested if there was a large enough call volume they "might" issue a statement explaining why his vote was at odds with his rhetoric.

I was advised to watch his website, all in all a total waste of time other than putting what seemed to be an intern on the spot.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:25 AM
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2. We have NO representative government.
Fuck Hillary for supporting W's war, fuck them all.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #2
28. Can we throw these Senators out at their primaries ?
I know people say it's suicide to try to throw someone out like Clinton or Reid, but if they aren't following our will -- then WHY THE FUCK NOT? Isn't that the whole point?!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #28
89. Vote Tasini in NY
He's petitioning right now to get on the ballot - anti-war, progressive Democrat running against Clinton:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1484003&mesg_id=1484003

He needs volunteers and donations to get on the ballot. Otherwise Clinton gets a free pass. There is no other serious opposition.
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yngliberal Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:25 AM
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3. They will never have a backbone...only a select few (n/t)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:26 AM
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4. In fairness, it is now the Kerry-Feingold plan.
Shared credit, where shared credit is due. And Feingold stood tall with Kerry on this.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:27 AM
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7. your right
I edited it.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:05 AM
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79. This is the Democratic ticket in 2008
Yep.....Kerry-Feingold they are certainly united behind this plan,and they are supported by the majority of the public even if not by the Majority of democrats in the Senate..
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:26 AM
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6. After the speach Harry gave on the floor I can't understand why
he would vote no.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. I just caught the tail end of it...and caught the thread
about Harry giving 'em hell:

Sen. Reid is blistering asses in the Senate. What a speech!


And then, in a matter of minutes, he votes "NO"!!

WTF?
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. The only thing I can think of that would make sense is that Kerry's
version of this amendment is not aggressive enough for Harry and other Dem's as I must admit I have not read the full amendment.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:37 AM
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29. the difference is the timetables set by Kerry
No specific timetables in the Levin bill.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. And is there a certain part of the Democratic caucus which sees
that as a problem?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:39 AM
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33. apparently
If you set a timetable, the "terrorists" will wait and then attack - NOBODY!!

:crazy:
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:42 AM
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37. Hmmmmmm.
Well, I'll just have to wait and see how the vote comes out. Howdy Doody was talking over in the house so that didn't seem to be to interesting.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:55 AM
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59. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
they still could've voted for it, knowing they had no majority really, just as a matter of principle, no?

And then move onto Levin's amendment? Which, btw, if that's Levin's they just announced on CSPAN as I type, most of these guys voted in the affirmative it seems.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:27 AM
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8. They are simply keeping it from being a campaign issue
Unless you are going to win a vote, don't vote for a losing plan that will also be used to help defeat you in the fall.

Please consider this before you criticize them - it's normal procedure.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. BUT IT IS THE PLAN AMERICA WANTS
AMERICA WANTS THE FUCK OUT OF IRAQ
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:32 AM
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22. We think so, but unless the Congress agrees - it becomes a rhetoric game
You know how the RW ass holes will be spinning this in the fall. These guys from conservative states have to consider that.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
16. You make an excellent point...
although I think it would have been to their advantage in the fall...
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:32 AM
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21. The people's needs are less important than superficial campaigns
Of course we could mention that at least Clinton's costituency STRONGLY wants withdrawal and she's not likely to lose...

...but then your rationalization would make even less sense.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. "superficial campaigns" are what have created Repuke control
If I though the Dems would coalesce around a single plan and stick with it no matter what, I would agree that they should vote as a block - that's not the case and almost never is.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:54 AM
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58. It's IMPOSSIBLE for Clinton to lose
There's not enough democracy in New York for that to happen. She's a dem, it's a "blue state"; she'll win no matter how she votes. She chose to vote that way and enjoyed it.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. Ok.
So Hillary is the bad guy again - what else in new here.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #61
81. Speaking of Howard Zinn
I think he'd rather shoot himself than support her. He had his days of fighting supposed "liberals" and "doves" who were taking part in murdering thousands of people.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:34 AM
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24. MAJORITY of American people agree with 13 Dem Senators on Iraq withdrawal
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:39 AM by blm
And THAT should be the campaign issue. The senate needs lawmakers who reflect the concerns of the American people for a CHANGE, instead of those doing the bidding of a delusional dictatortot.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:37 AM
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30. I agree - but until the evil slimey Rovesters lose an election
it's difficult to stand alone in your conservative state and vote for a losing proposal, knowing that it will be used as a stick to distract and spin from other issues in the fall.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #30
70. Stick to BASIC TRUTH AND LOGIC - and use paper ballots - and all will be
well.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #70
87. I wish it were as simple as that.
Yes, paper ballots are a must. Being strong & speaking truth to power while campaigning is the best practice. Giving the enemy an issue they love to beat you with is not very pragmatic.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:58 AM
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64. I think the anger stems from the fact that it SHOULD be a campaign issue
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:58 AM by Hardhead
Three years later, they're still running away from the GOP, still lining up to sign the loyalty oaths, as it were. Still trying to show how patriotic they are. They seem incapable of learning, of challenging, of representing the best interests of the people. These dogs just don't hunt.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #64
75. It's nothing like that - their votes are far more pragmatic than that
It really is a fools errand to vote for losing amendments - it can only hurt you - they do not need Dems to love them more - they need more independent voters who are voting for Repukes recently - these voters will only hear about these "principled" votes through Rove beating them over the head with it.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #75
92. If they want more independent voters
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 03:24 PM by Hardhead
They could start by showing that they'll end the occupation rather than rubber-stamping it yet again.

"Please, Mr. Rove, don't hurt us" is not a strategy for winning elections.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #8
69. I dont understand your logic..
When the majority of the public want an end to this war,how does that cost them a vote?
Lets just remember when Nixon wanted "peace with honor" he was still bombing Hanoi;totally against the public sentiment yet he got re-elected.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #69
85. Because in many states they are winning by a few percent
The majority in the US is different than a majority in your state or district.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #85
91. Whatever happen to a member of Congress voting for the will of the
majority of his Constituents instead of his personal preference..that's the problem be it Democrat or Republican..we really dont have any representation any more period.The Democrats just gave the Republicans one hell of a tool for the midterms and it will probably be sucessful.The Democrats are not united...that's all they need.......
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:27 AM
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10. Taking names. They will regret it n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. Reid's my Senator...I'm already starting the letter
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:45 AM by Emit
handwritten.

Edited to add, as a volunteer District Coordinator, I already lost one team member last week due to the Dems' stance on the War, specifically Reid's actions from earlier this month to forestall Kerry's plan -- I couldn't blame the guy.

Here's a snip from his email:

I received a disturbing letter from Senator Reid the day before he
voted with the republicans on Senator Kerry's amendment to get out of Iraq,
or mostly out of Iraq by years end. I'm appalled by that as the
slaughter of our children and hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians, the
use of WMD by US forces in our name, all war crimes. Each day a new
atrocity committed by the US military is revealed. the EL Salvador style
death squads we are running over there to perpetuate civil war to give
us the fodder needed to keep our permanent bases we're building is
deplorable. Harry reid is an accomplice to those war crimes and should be
impeached along with the King and everyone else that's complicit with
the two illegal occupations in our name.

To make matters more atrocious, Reid writes to me that the use of
nuclear weapons against Iran can not be ruled out. that's madness.

I can no longer be associated with the Democratic party as their views
are crimes against humanity and I will NOT support any candidate who
supports war. Please do not forward any more correspondence to me
unless it is the NRS on how to recall Reid from office.

~snip~

As the leader of the Nevada Democrats and the minority whip, it is
inconceivable that Harry Reid continues to support these illegal wars that
have absolutely nothing to do with the defense of our homeland, or any
attacks thereupon. this is about keeping the price of crude as high as
possible, is criminal, irresponsible and has run up a 300 BILLION
dollar price tag. Who's going to pay for that?

I wish you all the best and ask that you search your conscious to
determine if you find yourselves accomplices to war crimes for supporting
war criminals.


This was passed on to my PAID Field Ops guy, and I discussed it with him personally. His response was that this guy was probably a Green party person anyway, and never a true Dem??!!

It's hurting our efforts, and frankly, after yesterday and today, I have really lost momentum and such to continue my volunteer efforts.

Oh, I won't quit -- I'm in so deep with this volunteer task and I can see the big picture of trying to break the Repug majority rule -- but it's getting harder and harder to justify working for these Dems right now.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #14
34. I hope you are equally hard on the RW Nazi's who never considered
voting for this. Who is the enemy?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #34
52. Well, that's a given.
;-)
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:30 AM
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15. MUST.. KEEP... POWDER.... DRY... AT... ALL.... COSTS!!!!!
MUST... RESIST... URGE... TO.. STAND... AND... FIGHT.
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:31 AM
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18. Add Obama & Feinstein to the list.
Shit!
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:31 AM
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19. And you guys have to ASK why we criticize DEMOCRATS
Everytime it's done here I get called a Naderite or something nonsensical like that -- some kind of fourth legion worker for the Republicans.

I am not! I just don't like some of the Democrats who are terrible, VERY bad Congressmen. I like some, I don't like others, and I would gladly have them replaced with third-party. Get over it.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #19
32. RIght - some Democrats need to be knocked - that's what differentiates
us from the party of the robots as we speak up and holler when we need to do so.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:32 AM
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20. Hold your breath on Reid
if we were on the losing end of this amendment, senate leaders (both minority and majority) may actually vote on the opposition side. Helps if we need to revisit this vote again.

Frist has also done this like with ANWR votes. It's a common procedure

As for the rest of them - I have no fucking clue
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. good point
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. I don't know if that is the case - I just know that they do it
Hell, you'd think Frist actually is against drilling in ANWR with some of his votes
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #20
46. Only on a cloture vote - It makes no sense on an amendment.\nt
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #46
54. As long has he's with us on Levin then I will be fine
:D
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:35 AM
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27. How many Dems will join Lieberman in voting against the Levin amendment?
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:43 AM by flpoljunkie
There is no reason why all the Democrats cannot unite around the Levin resolution--it is the least they ought to be able to stand for.

S.AMDT.4320
Amends: S.2766
Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl (submitted 6/19/2006) (proposed 6/21/2006)
AMENDMENT PURPOSE:

To state the sense of Congress on United States policy on Iraq.

TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED: CR S6090-6091

STATUS:

6/21/2006:

Amendment SA 4320 proposed by Senator Levin.

COSPONSORS(7):

Sen Reed, Jack - 6/19/2006
Sen Feinstein, Dianne - 6/19/2006
Sen Salazar, Ken - 6/19/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 6/19/2006
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. - 6/20/2006
Sen Obama, Barack - 6/20/2006
Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV - 6/21/2006

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #27
47. For some people it's "All or Nothing"
The Levin Amendment is good, would have preferred the Kerry/Feingold but it's like being denied a Lexus but given a Toyota instead
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #47
56. Who will join Lieberman in voting against even the Levin amendment?
Of the Democrats, of course.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Why Nelson, of Florida, of course! Shameful political asscovering!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. Chafee votes Aye, Pryor and Nelson of Nebraska vote No!
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:49 AM
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51. Clinton, Feingold, Obama are co-sponsors of the Levin amendment
That is why they didn't for for Kerry/Feingold
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:51 AM
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53. Make that Feinstein, not Feingold, as Levin amendment cosponsor.
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lonehalf Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:42 AM
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36. Consider what state he represents and how they vote.
Most Americans don't know what is said in Congress but they do know what the RW tells them.

Ergo, vote to get re-elected.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:43 AM
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38. defeated 13 - 86
:grr:
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:43 AM
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39. Amendment fails.
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:44 AM by Freedom_from_Chains
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:44 AM
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41. only 13 yeas...now they are on the Levin amendment. eom
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:45 AM
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43. Kerry, Kennedy, Feingold, Harken
Who else?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:48 AM
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48. Akaka, Boxer, Durbin, Leahy, Lautenberg, Inouye
Did not hear all the votes.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:45 AM
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42. Thirteen Dems with the guts to stand up for the troops and "get it right."
Final vote on the Kerry amendment 13 Yes and 86 No.

Kudos to every one of them!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:47 AM
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45. isn't there another plan. levin? plan. and isn't there dem senators
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:47 AM by seabeyond
that prefer that plan? isn't that why they voted against kerry's (and i am huge kerry supporter, but don't like to be unfair either) because they prefer levins?

i havent been following real close, but i htink it is relevant before crucifying the democrats. i listened to dem women last night on larry king and this was addressed. dems are united in transession of iraq this year, it is just how, which plan.

please clarify.... if this is the case. if it is, then the attack on dems is unjsut
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:49 AM
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49. they're voting on it now....
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:49 AM
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50. See post #27.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:52 AM
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55. a whole truckload of Dems voting for the Levin bill
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:57 AM
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63. Okay, I see now...
This is what happens when work gets in the way.

Thanks everyone for clarifing what was happening with the Keryy/Feingold v Levin bill. I hear a lot more Dem's "Aye" votes happening now!

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:59 AM
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67. Tom Harkin said it best, both plans WILL NOT PASS
So why not just vote for both and take a stand?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:02 AM
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73. I had that thought, too.
Upthread, I asked about that in post #59 (I think)

Why not vote "aye" on both just as a matter of principle?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:05 AM
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80. Take a stand? Yeah right.
I gave up the hope of the Democrats taking a stand on the Alito nomination to the supreme court.

Why I keep supporting these useless jackasses is beyond me..

Don't we deserve people that represent us?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:59 AM
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68. I know I'll get flamed for this but...
...giving a defined pull-out time might actually hurt us. Better to have a proper timeline for the steps we will take to get our troops out of there. We've created a mess there - we need to give a timeline to Americans and the Iraqis on how we are pulling out of there. I think even with the Levin admentment we can get ourselves out of there by this time next year
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:03 AM
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74. that would hold true if we were cleaning up the mess
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 11:05 AM by LSK
But we are just adding fuel to the fire.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:07 AM
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83. The timeline should be for how we are going to clean up our mess and leave
We probably won't win the Levin amendment but we can work to pull some of the republicans over to our side with a future variation of it. We need republicans if we want an exit strategy.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:07 AM
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84. And then again, we may not
We're in the midst of a civil war, with no easy way out. We need a timeline.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:58 AM
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66. Mr Leiberman, NO
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:04 AM
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78. Not only voted NO, spent 15 freaking minutes
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 11:05 AM by dogday
on the floor saying why.. Why can't he just shut the freak up??
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:57 PM
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96. Mr. Lieberman, I vote NO to you and YES to Lamont. Get the hell out of the
Senate, your Iraq War and support of the incomptent dangerous * morons is a disaster.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:02 AM
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72. Levin bill defeated 60-39
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:04 AM
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76. Who are the Dems who voted against that, except Lieberman?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:28 AM
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90. Both Nelsons, Pryor, Lincoln, Landrieu,and Dayton.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:57 PM
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95. Take Blanche Lincoln off the No list. She voted Yes, to her credit.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:06 AM
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82. With the help of Jeffords and Chafee, no less. A lot of CYA going on here
for those "red state" senators. What a shame it is! The media will leap on this to highlight "divisions in the Democratic party." Nevermind that the American people--with plenty of them living in the red states--would like to see the troops redeployed within a year, but the M$M will rarely, if ever, mention this fact!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:15 AM
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88. IN AMERICA WE HAVE CHICKEN-HAWKS AFRAID TO FIGHT & CHICKEN-SHITS...
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 11:52 AM by Jeffersons Ghost
AFRAID TO PROTEST!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:54 PM
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93. I know Feinstein likes the war profits...
...but why the rest/ Can they possibly SUPPORT this brutal occupation? And if so, WHY, when a majority of Americans DON'T?

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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:56 PM
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94. Dear Dem Leaders, Don't count on my money this year, if I send to anyone,
it's to MoveOn, Progressive Patriots Fund and Kerry.

Spineless Dem jellyfish :grr:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:04 PM
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98. please send it to the DNC
DNC donations are seperate from DSCC and DCCC.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:59 PM
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97. I HOPE they dump Reid's ass when we take over the Senate in Novemeber.
He's useless. Honestly. It's enough to make one :banghead:.
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