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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:31 PM
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How Jeb and Sue control Florida's election supervisors. Not good.
That is Jeb Bush, of course, brother of the president, so-called, and Sue Cobb, his Secretary of State. That office is now chosen by Jeb, and the Secretary of State (as it has been since Katherine Harris's day) has no legislative oversight.

Here is the website for the Secretary of State, which links to the Division of Elections of which Sue Cobb is in charge.

http://www.dos.state.fl.us/

And here is one of the best and clearest descriptions of how they are tying the hands of the district election supervisors.

Tallahassee Meddles Locally

Silly us; we thought that county elections supervisors were elected officials sworn to uphold the integrity of the democratic process. But local supervisors are being bound by everconstricting bureaucratic strings to Tallahassee's will.

The state Division of Elections is proposing rules that will require local elections supervisors to get pre-clearance before they do anything rash -- like subject their optical-scan voting machines to independent testing to find out whether they can be hacked.

Not only will supervisors be required to submit a "testing plan" to Tallahassee, but they will also be obliged to notify the machines' manufacturer before any independent testing can occur.

"The purpose is to make the process more transparent," Jenny Nash, spokeswoman for the Department of State, told The Miami Herald last week.

So why the new rules? Probably because one supervisor, Leon County's Ion Sancho, agreed to let computer hackers penetrate the security system in his Diebold optical-scan voting machines.


I thank the Ledger for its clear editorial on this.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:39 PM
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1. And more questions about elections in Florida.
Election Questions

Audit report doesn't calm voting worries

"The Florida Department of State says it will be ready for the 2006 elections. We're not so sure.

The promise of readiness came in the wake of a critical audit showing weaknesses in how the state monitors, reports and spends federal election money. With less than three months before the primary elections, Floridians need to hear more than promises. They deserve confidence their votes will be accurately recorded and counted.

The report, prepared by state Auditor General William Monroe, details significant gaps in accountability procedures. For example, the report says the Division of Elections didn't have a written procedure for testing and certifying voting equipment under the federal Help America Vote Act. Such a checklist (which has since been developed) could provide a public paper trail for the state's testing of various systems intended to aid blind and mobility-impaired voters. It could also help shed light on the state's failure to approve handicapped-accessible equipment that allows blind and mobility-impaired voters to mark a paper ballot.

The state also lacks a comprehensive list of voting equipment in use in each county, the report says -- which might explain why Volusia County officials took delivery on handicapped-accessible equipment that had been modified, and, by state law, was no longer considered certified."


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:59 PM
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2. Thanks, MF
Making people aware of what they will do to keep us from voting and counting those votes, is the crucial first step toward folks understanding the situation.

From here, it looks like Florida still leads the nation in messing with the peoples' votes, followed closely by Ohio.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:01 PM
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3. So that's why Sue gave up
the Ambassador's post in Jamaica.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:18 PM
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4. Tell me more about Sue.
That one kind of slipped up on me...don't know much about her.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:44 PM
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9. Here are some links
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:19 PM
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5. How did Jeb become the designator of who becomes Secretary of State?
Unbelievable.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:27 PM
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6. The voters in FL
approved the amendment to the State constitution. Go figure?

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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:34 PM
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7. The voters approved? Sure it wasn't just Diebold?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:41 PM
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8. I remember the vote.
I remember how they presented it as being such a good thing, how it was like being in the dark ages to have an elected one. Unfortunately at that time, a lot of people were just not paying serious attention.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:17 PM
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11. I do too
I couldn't believe why any one would give up the right to elect cabinet officials? But then again, Sandra Mortheim and Katherine Harris were both elected, so it doesn't seem to really make a difference.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:33 PM
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12. Confused. Was Harris elected or appointed?
I assumed appointed. I am going to do a search, as you may be right.

I was trying to remember how I voted, but the publicity was so convincing....I might have voted yes not paying attention.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:37 PM
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13. Looks like you are right.
http://www.evote.com/features/2002-08/082002harris.asp
Katherine Harris, the states Chief Election Officer, stepped down as Secretary of State to comply with Florida law after discovering that she had made a procedural mistake. Florida's resign-to-run law requires candidates to file a letter stating their intent to resign immediately when he/she qualifies to run for another office. If candidates don't do so, state law says they must resign immediately. When Harris qualified to run for the 13th Congressional District, the letter should have been filed that day. So what does Katherine Harris have to say?

"I made a mistake in not filing a letter of resignation at the time I qualified for my congressional race," Harris said at an emergency news conference, where aides quickly took her away while reporters attempted to continue their line of questioning.

Harris claimed that she didn't think the law applied to her, since her elected position was to be abolished January 1, 2003. The position of Secretary of State is being turned into an appointed agency head, and Governor Jeb Bush will choose her successor."


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:40 PM
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14. Back then
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 10:41 PM by DoYouEverWonder
who the hell paid much attention to such things, especially after having a SOS like Jim Smith for so many years?

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:53 PM
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16. Was the vote taken on electronic voting machines?
I wonder how any election in Florida (or any other state now) can inspire confidence in the legitimacy of a fair outcome.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:46 PM
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10. Ion Sancho's outraged, Palm Beach's Anderson is fine with it.
I happen to share the outrage of Mr. Sancho. I think Arthur Anderson is wrong, and may have lost his way. I am rather sorry we donated to him as a Dean Dozen. Guess that'll happen sometimes.

Voting rule would reduce trust, Sancho says

Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho has become something of a national hero among advocates of voting integrity for his leadership role after the state's embarrassing 2000 general election, and subsequently his drive to ensure the most foolproof voting equipment possible.

This has not, as we have noted before, caused Mr. Sancho to be looked upon with pride and joy by Florida's Division of Elections, which has been embarrassed and put on the spot for decisions and systems that it has endorsed, and which Mr. Sancho openly and frankly questioned.

if approved by Secretary of State Sue Cobb, stop any county elections supervisor from running a test of voting equipment that his or her county is using, or considering purchasing, without first getting clearance from the state.

"Really, does it make any sense for the supervisors of elections . . . to not be able to test the equipment unless the Division of Elections approves of the test and the testers ahead of time?" Mr. Sancho said last week. "I'm charged with conducting elections, not the Division of Elections and not the secretary of state."


Agreed, Mr. Sancho. And here is the capitulation of Arthur Anderson in Palm Beach. Way to misinterpret, Anderson.

Elections chief welcomes greater role in state

As evidenced by the recent tiff between former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris and former Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore over their recollections of the 2000 presidential recount, state officials and county elections chiefs don't always see eye to eye.

But Elections Supervisor Arthur Anderson and many of his colleagues support a proposal by the Florida Division of Elections to give the state a greater role in the testing of county voting equipment.

The Division of Elections originally proposed barring the independently elected supervisors from conducting such tests without first getting approval from the state. After hearing objections from some supervisors at a meeting in Tallahassee last week, the division is backing away from that proposal.

But the division still wants supervisors to notify the state, vendors, other county elections chiefs and the public before testing any voting equipment. And the division wants the tests to be conducted only by people or entities with state-approved credentials."


I don't trust the Secretaries of State under Jeb Bush to conduct elections here at all. Picking who does the tests is tantamount to controlling them.





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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:41 PM
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15. Is it possible yet to tamper with one of those things remotely?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:28 PM
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18. I think they have modems. Not sure.
:hi:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:07 AM
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17. K&R n/t
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