I don't get it...Why do dems not tell the truth about

Iraq...and fire back? Congress would NEVER have authorized the invasion for over throwing Saddam, nation-building or 'bringing democracy to Iraq' or any of the other horseshit euphemisms. The only reason why *& Co got their invasion was because of the lies concerning WMD and the PLUME over DC

I learned that watching Frontline the other nite. Tenet didn't have one, and hastily prepared in two weeks what usually takes months or longer. It was in a room for the Senate to review before the vote, and almost all of them did not. Shame on them.

It was in a room for the Senate to review before the vote, and almost all of them did not.

If I remember correctly, it was in the middle of the night and hundreds of pages they would have to read.I think ONLY a few SENIOR dems were allowed to read ALL the 'evidence'

Seems like SOME Members knew better.

Some where paying attention

didn't the repubs have more info about what was going on and the information was a lie and everyone knows it. Just because they voted for it shouldn't mean that they can't have an opinion about it after they saw the lies. This never has made sense to me and the media always say the dems can't say anything because they voted for it. These people act like children.

What you don't hear is the corporate media discussing the DETAILS of the debate in order to keep the American public from hearing those inconvenient truths.

Very tired today. I don't get what your saying?

Dem speakers brought up all the points you did in your post and kept pounding away. I think there were at least 5 Dem senators who made those points last night.

n/t

there should be links to follow on all the subsequent ones. It was a fairly long debate.

one of us is losing their mind!

from all this....now no link??? Thanks

It's just the MSM is not reporting it, or is discounting it as idle speculation.

:grr:

the MSM is in *'s back pocket.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2691470

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It's been a head-scratching spectacle this week to watch Democrats in the Senate debate war resolutions that would press the administration to begin bringing troops home--to force the White House to "submit to Congress its plan for continued redeployment beyond 2006"--and then be depicted in the press as the likely losers in the unfolding political battle. Losers because Democrats are "divided" (New York Times), "struggling for consensus" (Washington Post), and "squabbling among themselves" (Knight Ridder), as opposed to Republicans who appear unified behind Bush's 'stay the course' Iraq policy. (Democrats weak and confused, Republicans strong and resolute. Does the press ever got tired of that manufactured storyline?)

What's so odd is despite the fact poll after poll shows Americans, completely fed up with the Iraq failure, agree with the Democratic initiative to start bringing the troops home, it's Republicans who are being portrayed by clubby Beltway insiders as having the winning hand. Hell, the smart boys over at ABC's The Note, all but announced Democrats had just thrown the 2006 elections thanks to their botched handling of the Iraq war debate. i.e. They were, "on the precipice of making Iraq a 2006 political winner for the Republican Party."

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much much more

(runs from people waiting to call him a Naderite)

ANTHRAX......BLACKMAIL.

:hi:

2002! The 'bat-shit crazy' people hold the majorities and would have probably voted for anything * wanted.

would not be re-elected. Bush was popular, the country wanted blood in revenge for 9/11. To now say all that was a lie is to admit they acted in their own self interest rather than to lead the nation in the right direction.

PNAC states that it would take another Pearl Harbor for their plan to work. 9/11 was that other Pearl Harbor and their plan worked because the country fell hook line and sinker for their bullshit lies. The Dems would have had to buck the tide to be against the war and they may have lost their seats in 2002. Interestingly though, the anti war Dems were re-elected.

They can pretty much do as they damn please. Which is why November is so crucial.