Okay....Who set up Santorum and Hoekstra for the BIG FALL...

Right now "Noron" (O'Donnel) on "Hardball" asks the BIG QUESTIONS as to why Santorum went out with Bogus "Old Munitions" that "sources inside the Pentagon" say were NOT "THE" WMD....

Methinks are being PLAYED....with Noron laughing herself silly over the whole thing along with Pat Buchanan and Eugene Robinson (WaPo)

What's going on...I've wondered myself why "Rummey's Defense Dept." would TRASH TWO TOP REPUGS...one whose in a race in PA where he is down.

We know how our M$M stabs us Dems in the back ...time after time...so who sent "Little Rickey and Big Pete" out with Saran Wrap Shields?

Why? Anyone have any ideas. This story just smells and with Rove off the hook and Pentagon purged ala Rummy...why would ANY Defense Department Spokesperson immediately trash the Santorum/Hoekstra Story about "WMD FOUND?"

:shrug:

them? Have we Dems EVER...EVER..seen an incident where they left their RW Christian Faciton out there to "twist in the wind...or hang out to dry?" NEVER in my whole time here on DU since "Selection 2000." Repugs "Stand by their Man." (and they love their men....)

No WAY they would have put Drudge, Limbaugh and their RW sites in jeopardy over Lies...unless SOMETHING ELSE is waiting to COME to vindicate them.

With "Noron" O'Donnell laughing hysterically and Pat Buchanan looking like "Cat who Ate Canary" ...I'm thinking Repugs are up to something BIG to wipe out Santorum's Failing Numbers and to pump his cohort Hoekstra....

These people "Take No Prisoners" just remember that. They never make a move without "calculation."

It has all the appearances of a self inflicted blunder of epic size and shape.

is that the pentagon spokesman didn't allow his/her name to be used in debunking.....

therefore:

maybe sometime in the very near future, Rummy himself will make THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF FINDING WMDsand Noron and all the other talking heads will humbly apologize to little Ricky and endorse his re-election as the "bestest Senator...EVER".

Ya think?

The "fuckers" found a way to plant some WMD that will dig "Little Rickey" and "Big Pete" out and they planted the "Shock and Awe" seed.

Oh...Dear God...I hope that you and I are totally wrong...but this whole ridiculous display even having "Susan" Host on C-Span this a.m. read WaPo TRASH of Santorum and Hoekstra ..made me wonder what was going on.

Repugs NEVER TRASH THEIR OWN. And, Defense and Pentagon is RUN BY RUMMY and after his "Purges" of the Good Guys...who would be left to tell the WaPo that "Little Rickey and Big Pete" were "full of it" with this bogus report of old, depleted WMD that were there since 1988.

:shrug: We are being "played in some way." I think your scenario stands until there's some other Machievellian horror that's revealed.

:-(

"..Republicans never trash their own..."

that's exactly why I am suspicious...and I, too, hope we're both wrong...

a long history that NO WMD were found in Iraq. They are getting "long in the tooth" to find some.

It must be a "BIG SURPRISE" they are contemplating..:-(

That was the first thought that jumped into my mind. Of course, my instincts on these things are no better than my capacity to "read" people's feelings. But, it's a possibility.

the info used certainly coincides with the RW talking points used for the sheep.

That's a stretch, though. For them to have a press conference that Faux/Drudge blasted all over.. and then had to retract does make one wonder if there isn't alot more to come out about this.

NO WAY REPUGS/ROVE would through Santorum and Hoekstra "Under the Bus" with bogus info like this. And, "No Way" there's anyone left who would "set up" both of them to take a "Fall" after Rummy/Cheney/Bush PURGE of any "intelligent life left in our Govt."

That's a stretch, though. For them to have a press conference that Faux/Drudge blasted all over.. and then had to retract does make one wonder if there isn't alot more to come out about this.

NO WAY REPUGS/ROVE would through Santorum and Hoekstra "Under the Bus" with bogus info like this. And, "No Way" there's anyone left who would "set up" both of them to take a "Fall" after Rummy/Cheney/Bush PURGE of any "intelligent life left in our Govt."

and that was the pattern yesterday too. Santorum & Hoekstra create the lie, mSM reports it as fact - then maybe one obscure cable outlet questions it while millions only hear the lie. Where was the big fall again?

why would two senators be the ones to break news on a WMD find? Just about ANY excutive branch or military person would be better suited. I think the DOD wanted to distance themselves quickly so it didn't blow back in their faces. They don't want reminders of the many administration failures being brought up every Sunday morning. The talking points are: immigration, Iran, North Korea.

But your points are right on.

And the right wing togetherness has an element of mythology to it. So he just jumped to try and be the first and loudest voice declaring their long awaited wmd news.

Just now realizing how stupid congressmen are. It's like they didn't even read the report that was in their hands.

But I think you're kind of on the mark.

I don't live in Pennsylvania or Michigan, and I've never been to either state, so my answers are to be treated as those of some liberal guy west of the Rockies.

The question you raise about Santorum and Hoekstra is a two-part one, in my opinion.

First, Santorum. Why did he repeat this obvious lie?

Here's a hint:

His disapproval rating is at 55% IN PENNSYLVANIA. Grasping at straws here.

Hoekstra, I don't know enough about. Could it be that his challenger has a shot in Michigan's 2nd District?

http://www.kotosforcongress.com/

hang him out to dry on this. He doesn't move or breathe without his "Home Schooled RW Christians feeding him their talking points from their "Think Tanks." So, that's Weird Point #1.

Hoekstra is unknown to me but why he would join with Santorum is interesting.

WHY?

No matter what.

But Hoekstra...he's a Repug for sure but hasn't come across (at least to me) like bat shit crazy. Anyone from Michigan here? Why would Pete Hoekstra stick his neck out like this?

key is, these guys are dealing with pathological
inability to take responsibility for the hideous
damage they have done to their country.
There are more than enough repubs who
are similarly in denial to give them an
audience.

That seems to make the most sense.

First , apolgies for the source ( Faux-News no less) - who seem to have dropped this one as quickly as they could from its initial front -page splash...

a. Senate has Dem sponsored debate on withdrawing from Iraq on the calendar for Wed this week ( Fact )
b. Hoekstra decides he has info ( as Chairman of House Intel Cmmttee) that the public should know that puts Dems debate in bad light (in his mind)so he writes letter on June 19th asking Negroponte to declassify NGIC "key points" ( first part conjecture - second part fact - see below)
c. Negroponte declassifies "key points" from the report in LESS THAN TWO DAYS sends to Hoekstra's House Intel office. (Fact - see attached)
d. Hoekstra's House Intel Committee Chief Councel ( Chris Donesa) faxes copy to Santorums Aide ( Goerge Bernier ) for immediate trumpeting to the world (Fact)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html ( Fox news story - including debunking from senior Defense Dept official)
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf ( 4 page fax of the declassified WMD claims )
http://santorum.senate.gov/public/ ( Santorum continues to trumpet this crap on his own website)

<snip> ( from Fox above)
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
<snip>

Whats worse that trying to claim our guts are still being killed to prevent Iraq WMD s getting out/used - having a Director of National Intelligence that thinks jumping though hoops to declassify crap for a republican publicity stunt in less than 2-days is the way he and his Dept should behave.

I still wonder though about RW throwing these two under the bus. Maybe things have changed. Maybe they were fools who "jumped out the gate." You make an interesting case for this.

Still...my long experience with these "THUGS" is that there's something More Afoot (ala Sherlock Holmes) who looked for "motivation."

:shrug: I hope you are correct, though.

defending it in outrageousness. i posted facts on wmd degraded, why we went to war, nothing to do with this, and articles saying military even says this is not the wmds for war.

oh they fought, saying how we were moving the goal post. how we said NO wmds, what about that. and on and on that they had our asses with this.

mid morning the thread died and hasn't moved all day.

i guess they have been watching the news too, lmao

But, is that true to the experience we DU'ers have had with them where they send in "fake troops with message they later change" and then turn around the "Muck" on the Dems?

IOWD's "What they say and Do are two VERY DIFFERNT things and we Dems always end up with the "short straw" choice. :shrug:

I STILL DO NOT BELIEVE they would hang both Drudge and Faux "out to dry" by doing a BIG Release "WMD FOUND IN IRAQ" unless they were on the "inside" of some later strategy...that would take time to be revealed. :shrug:

Nothing is "Innocent or Uncalculated" from these THUGS. And with Rove not Indicted they are really "feeling their Viagra." Just my humble opinion though.

I'm waiting for the next "shoe" to drop from the Repug Machine that Vindicates Santorum's bizarre news that was "trashed by un-named sources in the "Defense Dept." :-(

as you say, we will see. i agree with most all you say

just can't get excited that anything will break OUR way between now and November...and after November they start the '08 Campaign. (well...it's always been about '08 since 04 hasn't it, though...)

Still they don't want the Idiot Impeached so '06 is probably their first hurdle.... Get's one so tired ...doesn't it.

their shit so when shit came down i would be able to tell people about all the shit, and it has been so much and so long i have forgotten so much of the shit