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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:03 PM
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Any Burning Man DUers out there?
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 08:06 PM by Emit
Just curious if there are. I, myself, am not going, but I know many people who will be out there this year. Some of the art planned by some of these folks I know will be politically motivated.

I've never seen any posts on DU about Burning Man, so I'm curious if it is an event that any DUers attend.

Edited to add a link:

http://www.thetemplebuilder.com/

(Click on the gallery link and check out the thumbnails)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:06 PM
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1. I hope they turn it into a protest against BushCo.
It could be something that the media might cover.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:10 PM
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4. That's part of what I'm trying to find out --
For example, last year, Katrina hit right before Burning Man and the fallout occurred when my spouse was still out at Burning Man. We have since learned that there are still teams of folks (some who had grouped at Burning Man to discuss Katrina then) who are working in and around NO with re-building and other volunteer efforts.

This year, I am curious to see if there is more of a concerted effort toward speaking out against this misadministration. It seems the perfect environment, at least.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:19 PM
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8. Lordy I hope not ...

Burning Man may (or may not) be a wonderful thing, but if that becomes the public face of anti-war, anti-Bush, it will only play in to all the stereotypes pro-war, pro-Bush crowd have played to such good effect without much substance to back them.

I have a friend who has been going to Burning Man since before it was the thing all the non-conformists did to prove how non-conformist they were, and even he is starting to recognize that the freak-show factor has reached some rather bizarre limits among those trying to prove just how freaky they can be. I can see the add now: Guy painted silver, pixelated area over his penis, "No Blood for Oil" poster raised high.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:26 PM
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11. So speaking out about our country being destroyed by criminals
is freaky to you? I don't get it. It seems that this energy should be put to some use so that we don't lose anymore Americans in a freaky war started by freaky people. Not to mention the innocents who have been killed in this crazy freakiness and how our international credibility is being destroyed by the minute.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:44 PM
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15. Ohdearlord ...

A) Did you read what I wrote?

B) Do yo know *anything* at all about Burning Man?

The point, since you apparently missed it, is that a guy running around naked, painted silver, with his dork waiving the desert wind is, to most people, pretty damn freaky, and when that's the visual image thrown out to a million households, most of which have inhabitants who have never even heard of Burning Man, these people associate anti-war with "freak show." That is precisely what media coverage would bend over backwards to show, and you know this, or should.

And for the record I personally have no problem with someone wanting to paint themselves silver and run around naked protesting whatever they want to protest. (BTW, I'm basing this example on some pics my burner friend sent me after last year's burn.) What I want Americans who are not political junkies to understand, clearly, is that anti-war is not "fringe" and that the anti-war movement is populated by their friends and neighbors and family members, not naked guys roaming the desert.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:51 PM
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18. No offense.
It's just that we are at a point that IMHO we aren't trying to impress the righties anymore not that the more lefty among us ever did. Actually, part of what made the sixties protests effective is that the liberals broke the unwritten codes. A guy painted silver doing what you said would have fit in quite nicely at Woodstock.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:07 PM
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20. Don't care about "righties"

The world is not black and white, right or left.

The people I want impressed are people like my mother, who is neither a righty nor a lefty, yet a life-long, peace loving individual who tends to vote for Democrats. She and the millions of people just like her are turned off by shrill or bizarre displays of any variety, no matter from what part of the political spectrum they originate.

Cindy Sheehan is effective with people like my mother because Cindy is just a mother. The right (and certain members of the left who don't seem to like how normal she is) has been trying to paint her as a freak because they know that this "normalcy" image is dangerous to them. So, they emphasize one thing she says outside the mainstream and blow it out of all proportion and ignore the ten thousand other things she does and says that would fit quite well with what other so-called "normal" people think and feel. The MSM, bought and paid, plays those soundbites that make her seem weird or immoral or dumb.

Now what do you think they'd do with Naked Silver Guy.

To clarify again, what I do not want to happen is the MSM to focus on something like Burning Man. Burning Man needs to be left alone to do what it does under its own terms. Let loose the cameras on the Playa, and it's over.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:32 PM
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29. at least he wouldn't have to worry about sunburning it?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:28 PM
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12. Interesting point
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 08:35 PM by Emit
And I don't disagree, necessarily.

Actually, I have never been, to the disappointment of my own spouse and several close friends, so I cannot speak from personal experience.

However, from what I have been told, it is really not an Anti-Bush crowd atmosphere and it "seeks more to transcend."

To this date, it has never been an avenue for protest against Bush & Co. -- edited to add, although, as another DUer/Burner pointed out, much of the art is political. I think, from the home slides we have, it's art on a grander scale and not much in the way of anti-Bush posters.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:34 PM
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14. Yes ...

To turn it into a blatant political display would destroy the ethos of the event in the first place and thus ruin much of what the whole thing is about. I can't see hardcore burners really getting behind such a thing. Most of them are about as anti-Bush as you can get, but they are also, I should add, anti-establishment. "Seeks more to transcend" is a good way to put it. One cannot transcend by playing the same game that everyone else plays.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:07 PM
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2. the timing is impossible for me...
...right after the beginning of fall semester-- I can never get away that time of year.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:07 PM
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3. A bunch of ppl
from my other board are going.....I'll get reports.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:12 PM
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5. wanted to
can't
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:16 PM
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6. Black Rock Desert
An incredible place.

I've been there, but not during Burning Man.

Go, Burning Man or No.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:18 PM
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7. It is an amazing place, isn't it?
Yes, I agree put it on your list of travels, if you can, Burning Man or No, along with Pyramid Lake.

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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:19 PM
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9. I'm a burner
There have been many posts on DU about Burning Man and there is quite a bit of political activity in the form of art at Burning Man. For example there was a voter registration bus in 2004. They had all the forms for all 50 states.

Here's a picture of the bus


Picture of me and a Howard Dean cut out


leave no trace!

Sonia
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:22 PM
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10. Cool!
I'm glad this kind of stuff is happening.

Thanks for the pics.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:32 PM
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13. That's great! Good to hear.
I have never seen a post on DU about Burning Man, probably, because I mostly post in just this forum.

Thanks for the pictures.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:55 PM
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19. I like your shirt
:)

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:44 PM
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16. I haven't been since I was a wee Lass
But the vibe lives on;)


I would hope it goes totally anti-war and anti-Bush this year... seems logical; a given, really.


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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:47 PM
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17. It seems to have degenerated quite a bit the last few years
so I've given it a miss. If the Rainbow Family ever meets in my area again, though, I might hit that one, see if any of my old friends survived and kept the faith.

If Burning Man turns political, it might again pique my interest.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:42 PM
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23. Degenerated because
it got too big, too main stream? Or, in some other way?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:26 PM
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21. I may go this year...
My boss wants me to go with him, so I can get the time off for sure.

It would be my first Burning Man.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:33 PM
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22. My advice
GO!

That's what I've been told -- over and over, and I'm ashamed I've never been because I've had the opportunity (not this year, though, sadly), yet never took advantage of it.

But, prepare for the Black Rock -- bring lots of water, food, good shelter, sun screen, etc.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:44 PM
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24. what exactly is it ?
ok, i know what it is in that it's a gathering and all that. but i could never figure out the purpose behind it all or meaning of it.

i asked a few people before but they seemed to have a hard time explaining it.

i guess i'm asking, what type of person would go ?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 09:52 PM
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25. Well, having never been and only knowing of it second hand
(but, mind you, living with a burner) I'll (still) defer to wiki, and, of course, any other DUer/Burners who want to ring in:

Burning Man is a week-long festival with international draw, held annually on the week prior to and including Labor Day weekend (in early September) in the United States. Its current location is on the playa of the Black Rock Desert in Nevada, at 40°45′17″N, 119°14′11″W or 90 miles (150 km) north-northeast of Reno. The temporary city (housing 36,500 residents in 2005) is put forth as an experiment in community, radical self-expression, and radical self-reliance. The culmination of the event is the burning of a large wooden sculpture of a man on Saturday night, the sixth night of the event.

Participation. Burning Man is held to be a "spectator-free" zone—i.e., only participants are allowed. As such, all attendees are ostensibly expected to contribute to the community, but the nature of this participation is left up to each individual, and in reality some spectators are present with cameras in hand.

Arts and crafts are featured, particularly outsider art and visionary art. Creative expression through the arts is encouraged at Burning Man. Large-scale art installations, theme camps, music, performance, and guerrilla street theatre are amongst the most common art forms shared at Burning Man. Sculptures and interactive installations are generally placed on the playa, in the open space surrounding the Man. Many are along specific art-walk pathways that lead to and from the central Burning Man complex, while others are scattered throughout the open playa.

~snip~

Commerce-free event. No cash transactions are allowed at Burning Man. The participants instead rely on a gift economy, a sort of potlatch. Since the earliest days of the event, an underground barter economy has also existed, in which burners exchange material goods and/or favors with each other; however, this is largely discouraged by the event organizers. The only commerce that has been allowed are sales of coffee and ice at Center Camp. Ice sales benefit the local Gerlach-Empire school system; coffee sales fund the structure and contents (including labor) of Center Camp. Additionally, the powers that be at Burning Man contract with Green Tortoise to provide a fee-based shuttle service that provides round trip bus rides into the nearby town of Gerlach, Nevada.

Much more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:15 PM
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26. It's an art festival ...
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:24 PM
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27. No but I was on Xingolati last October
What a time!! Lots of burning man peeps there too.. and how about the Muytator!!!!!
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:24 PM
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28. I'm a burner but I'm blowing this year off...
I do the every other year thing.
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