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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 03:13 AM
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spy drones coming to your neighborhood!

A mysterious Delaware company's single-engine light aircraft may soon be circling the sky near you.

Last year, residents of Lodi, California noticed a tiny Cessna 182 moving in slow circles over their small town, just circling and circling for at least a month.

The Lodi News-Sentinel got a hold of a picture of the mystery plane, checked its tail number with the FAA and traced it to the Northwest Aircraft Leasing Corp. in Newark, Delaware. The listed address, reporters found, was a mail drop

http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/index.blog?entry_id=1500879

I guess we gotta make sure curtains are shut if we take a pee now..
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 03:35 AM
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1. I thought Americans valued their privacy. Maybe I was wrong.
Or maybe I wasn't. And this kind of stuff should be a top campaign issue.

Most of the Republican types I know believe in "get the government off my back."

We need to drill home the message that Republicans are in favor of an omniscient state.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:14 AM
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2. I am really getting worried about all this.
Lets face it it is not about terrorist but just what we are doing. I am sure all that banking stuff go right to any one who wants banking information,(some private bus. gets that info) like business and who gives money to what groups. Now planes? Come on we have to know they are mining the internet and that will be out next month along with, I am sure the mails, US and private.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:21 AM
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3. There is no such thing as privacy any more
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:41 AM
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6. Funny because when my husband was in the Navy this------
was a No NO You could not get your own medical files for any reason. Even if you went to a private doctor you could not have your own files. Times are sure odd, as now any one can have my records. And I guess they do.I would not be shocked to get a call on some old female problem I may have had. I do not recall any but heck they have the files not me.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:43 AM
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7. By the way I needed them once about a heart problem and NO
I could not get them.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:20 AM
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13. It's all about tracking grassroots politics
They want to know who we're calling, what sites we're visiting online, what money we have in our banks, and where that money is going. This isn't about fighting terrorism. It's about fighting grassroots democracy. To them, Democrats are the terrorists.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:28 AM
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4. Now I'm REALLY paranoid.
We live in the country - not a house in sight. Last Saturday afternoon, out of the blue, our automatic garage doors started going up and down on their own. We've lived in the house for 9 years and this has never happened. After a search for anything that might be transmitting a signal, we gave up and unplugged the things, assuming they had just crapped out and died a natural death. On Sunday we plugged them in and they operated normally. They've been fine ever since. Where were the signals coming from?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:17 AM
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9. My gate is doing the same thing.
and showing the command code has been activated. I am installing a security camera to watch it, gives me an excuse to install a wifi repeater and expand my coverage too!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:23 AM
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15. You might be interested in this story from 2004.
Military radio signals could jam garage door openers


Dec 6, 2004

WASHINGTON - Coming soon to dozens of military bases around the country: radio signals strong enough to jam nearby garage-door openers.

Between now and 2008, the military is supplying a new radio system to roughly 125 bases that uses the same frequency as the one relied upon by more than 90 percent of the remotely operated openers, Pentagon and industry officials say.

The military radio signal is sometimes so strong that it overpowers the opener's signal, preventing the door from opening. Or it can also vastly reduce the opener's range, forcing the user to walk close to the garage before it will open.

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The garage-door opener frequency at issue -- 390 megahertz -- has belonged to the military since around 1950. Openers have legally operated at that frequency since at least the early 1980s, Karasek said.

snip


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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:36 AM
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16. There are no military bases nearby, but
we occasionally have military jets overhead. Maybe they were training in the area. Pre-George Bush the thought never would have crossed my mind that someone, somewhere was spying on me. (By the way, my husband reminds me it's not paranoia if it's really happening.)
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:37 AM
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5. blimps with cameras cheaper
or helicopters, tiny model ones, the size of flies moving around your windows or into them.

we live in interesting times , do we not?

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:03 AM
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8. You know what is scary...
I know how to make those blimps. I was even contemplating going into that business. I told my girlfriend about it, and that I was worried about the "Big Brother" implications of it, but she said I was just being "paranoid" and that it was a good idea that could save a lot of lives. I just don't think I want to enable Big Brother. I think that not working to build one is the right thing to do. I think I'll just do advertising.

*Blimps are best for this. They can be made almost silent unlike a helicopter, which usually requires a powerful engine to keep aloft.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:18 AM
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10. And they can loiter forever.
Station time is a prime consideration in these things. Countermeasures, my dear Kelly...
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:19 AM
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11. speaking theoretically of course!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:20 AM
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12. What else is new?
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 08:20 AM by DoYouEverWonder
Oct 24, 1999

It must be the only occasion in U.S. history when an alligator is known to have stood in the way of efforts to protect the national security. It is also a good Florida yarn. In the mid-1970s, according to newly declassified information, the National Security Agency flew a super-secret, unmanned gliderlike spy plane - Compass Cope-R - over Lake Okeechobee to eavesdrop on Fidel Castro. The craft took off and landed without a pilot on a small runway at Cape Canaveral, and controllers on the ground handled it like a manned plane. It intercepted the Castro government's voice conversations and electronic military radar emissions, transmitting the signals to vans operated by the Air Force and the National Security Agency at Patrick Air Force Base near Cape Canaveral. Until the end, it was a highly successful project, according to National Journal News Service, which uncovered the records of Compass Cope and interviewed Norman Sakamoto, the project chief. Sakamoto said the Compass Cope was unable to land after its 12th and final mission because a wandering alligator was blocking the runway. The aircraft had to circle while a man in the back of a pickup truck lassoed the alligator and dragged it from the runway.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/45795770.html?dids=45795770:45795770&FMT=FT&FMTS=CITE:FT&date=Oct+24%2C+1999&author=SARA+FRITZ&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&edition=&startpage=5.A&desc=Gator+on+cape+runway+stalled+spy+plane+flight+Series%3A+WASHINGTON+JOURNAL

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:02 AM
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14. I'll be sure to take off all my clothes. That should get rid of 'em.
hmmmmmmf!
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