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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:56 PM
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Bush Admin Doesn't Want A Timetable Because It Would Mean Accountability
The Iraqi government wants a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops.
The Bush administration is firmly against it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13521628/site/newsweek/

TPM Reader GG advances the point ...

I'm convinced that one of the primary reasons this administration doesn't want a timetable is that it would pin them down on what they are trying to do, how long they think it will take, and what it's going to cost. It would start to make them accountable. This drivel about not wanting the insurgents to know when we will be leaving is just bunk. It's easy to create a timetable with enough latitude and thresholds to allow the flexibility to alter or delay troop movements. I would hope that troops would be moved in progressive stages and positions, so that if setbacks occur we can reverse course.

The administration's position is geared to hiding as much as they can from us. Accountability is not a word in their vocabulary. The Dems need to keep pushing for a flexible timetable with thresholds set for Iragi army and security force levels and competence. While there should be some flexibility to accommodate setbacks, the only way we can get Iragis to really step up is to provide them with reasonable deadlines. A timetable will also have an positive impact on all the reconstruction efforts (such as they are) and force them to a timetable of their own, which would also create some accountability.

Bottom line is this administration doesn't want to be accountable.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008835.php
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:10 PM
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1. kick and nominating - all DU eyes outta see n/t
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:56 PM
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2. It also means having an exit strategy. All they have is sleight of hand.
And a malicious attitude.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:59 PM
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3. Plus Bush's palace and the 14 bases are not yet complete
Can't have the funding dry up before the last brick is laid.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:14 PM
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5. that's right
they haven't filled the olympic sized pool yet
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:02 PM
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4. A couple of things. They don't want to leave because it disrupts their
colonial ambitions of empire.

And, if FORCED to leave by events, they don't want it to be during shrub's reign if at all possible because then he will own the disgrace entirely, in everyone's mind, it will be a lot more difficult to snow even the true believers.
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:35 PM
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11. The Haliburton boys
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 07:40 PM by NI4NI
still have plenty of robbing left to do in Iraq. The security of the hen that's been laying their golden egg by our military is their ONLY concern.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:17 PM
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6. kick nt
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:18 PM
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7. Yup Yup
don't forget the money invested in stealing the oil and privatizing the nation.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:26 PM
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8. Bottom line is that PNAC has no intention of EVER withdrawing
our presence in Iraq! We are there to 'protect' the ME and spread 'democracy' and 'freedom' (read free enterprise and endless profits and oil 'til it runs out) and to aid Israel. We have never been there to help the Iraqis! The fact that the B* administration does not want to be held accountable is a no-brainer, IMO, as all of their crimes and greed would be clear to the world, and even to the insane supporters of this corrupt cabal.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:47 PM
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13. Iraqis?
Aren't they "brown people"?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:06 PM
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14. As a matter of fact, they are, and so are the Iroquois, but the later are
True Amurikans cause they got here first! :sarcasm:

(and IMHO in God's eyes the 'true owners' of the land, but that's an aside I have only recently come to believe and don't care to comment on for now! There's moral right and then there's war, and I've only just begun to discover the injustices that were perpetrated by the white man on the native Indian tribes. I'm a white woman with ancestors that go back to the Revolutionary War; a remote ancestor was captured by Indians for years and was eventually released....)
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:16 PM
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16. back at you Sara
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:53 PM
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17. LOL! Oh this is too sadly funny! It is perfect! Have you read Eckhart
Tolle's The Power of Now? It is so excellent, and this cartoon reminds me of one of his remarks (found on page 62, and titled "What are they seeking?")

Carl Jung tells in one of his books of a conversation he had with a Native American chief who pointed out to him that in his perception most white people have tense faces, staring eyes, and a cruel demeanor. He said: "They are always seeking something. What are they seeking? The whites always want something. They are always uneasy and restless. We don't know what they want. We think they are mad."

And Tolle goes on to discuss his reasons for the current and past unease of Western Civilization, although he does a very cursory job of it, as this is not the purpose of his book.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:30 PM
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19. ahhh you are so wise



Jung, no less...

All we seek is right here before us...

Always has been...



















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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:12 PM
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20. You are the wise one, and I read the wise! True nourishment for
my bewildered soul in these times that 'try the soul'! And I love your intentional blank space... Right in front of our eyes. "The kingdom of God is within you."










I haven't read much Jung, but I've always wanted to as Campbell and Bill Moyers and others liked him. He is not simple reading, but he really desired to help humanity in our struggle to understand. My current modern fave is Dr. Thomas Hora, recently deceased. All my other favorites are long dead! (Plato, Buddha, the Zen Masters, Jesus Christ, Locke, Spinoza, the Gitas, H.I. Kahn, Rumi, ....so many others, and still reading.



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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:19 PM
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21. I have thought long and hard...
and have arrived at the profound opinion that

WiseButAngrySara is 2,172 years old.

And I thought I was older than you...
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:39 PM
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22. LOL! You know, I just might be. I believe in reincarnation....
so who knows?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:28 PM
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9. k(pete)nr! Gotta love you kpete! Thanks for all you do! ....n/t
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:31 PM
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10. bump to that!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:42 PM
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12. so much Lyndon Johnson... texas fuckups.... nt
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:14 PM
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15. Yes, exactly.
And if the next President has to withdrawal and is mired in public resentment for Bush's fiasco, all the more better. Inauguration day, 2009 = another thousand U.S. troops and countless Iraqi's dead so Bush doesn't have to look in the mirror and gets to pass the buck off to the next guy.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:28 PM
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18. with all the crimes this cabal are guilty of I wonder if they ever
intend to pass the buck.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:44 PM
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23. and it conflicts with their plan which is to NEVER leave Iraq.
They are going to stay there for two reasons:(1) to keep from having to admit that the invasion was a mistake and (2) they intend to guard the oil with intentions of stealing all of it.
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