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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:06 PM
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Did Limbaugh’s doctor break the law?
Did Limbaugh’s doctor break the law?
By: John Amato @ 12:47 pm

I spoke with the Florida Medical Board and they told me that it is unethical and illegal for a doctor to write a prescription for him/her and then give it to another patient. They told me I could file a complaint and it would be investigated. I first called The Medical Board of California and found out that they have the same practice in place. As we know from yesterday:

Rush Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours at Palm Beach International Airport after authorities said they found a bottle of Viagra in his possession without a prescription. A doctor had prescribed the drug, but it was "labeled as being issued to the physician rather than Mr. Limbaugh for privacy purposes," Roy Black, Limbaugh’s attorney, said in a statement.

-snip-

This is not consistent with medical practices in the two states that I have checked on so far. Doctors cannot engage in that type of behavior. By receiving a fake prescription that is clearly in violation of Florida’s Medical Law, did Limbaugh then violate the terms of his plea deal? Roy Black’s statement tries to paint this occurrence to be typical doctor behavior because of Rush Limbaugh’s high profile, but that is not the case.

A Beverly Hills addiction specialist, Dr. David Kipper said that this is the number one offense a doctor can do. They are not even supposed to write prescriptions for family members…I’m checking the federal laws now….

UPDATE:

I just talked to Paul Miller, spokesman for the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office and he said that there is no official comment at this time about the doctor who wrote the script or if Limbaugh has violated his deal, but the matter has been raised. I called the State Attorney’s office next and they are waiting to receive a "packet" about the case before they will respond. I’ll keep you posted.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/27/did-limbaughs-doctor-brake-the-law/

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:29 PM
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1. Thanks Catwoman!
He acts like he'll get away with it too. How any woman would want him is beyond me. But maybe that's not what he was after...!
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:33 PM
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2. Oh I hope he paid them well for breaking the law...
Enough for them to pay for life without their practices.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:38 PM
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3. link from an LBN Thread........
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 04:39 PM by Kingshakabobo
I think pig-boy may have some wiggle room here. I find it really hard to believe a doctor would help him violate the law considering how much heat is on him. Also, I would think there isn't as tight of control on viagra as, say, oxy. I think a doctor can pass out free samples of viagra? No?

>>>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060627/ap_en_ot/limbaugh_viagra

>>>It is generally not illegal under Florida law for a physician to prescribe medication in a third party's name if all parties are aware and the doctor documents it correctly, said Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County. He would not discuss specifics in the Limbaugh case Tuesday
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:43 PM
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4. Yeah,. IF, IF< IF
lots of conditional statements there, think that doctor is going to take a fall or risk his license over this?

I doubt it
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:58 PM
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6. Well, he already did if writing a scrip to himself IS IN FACT not legal..
Furthermore, if he did NOT follow proper procedure it probably falls on the doc(the expert) and not the patient. Fatso can claim ignorance if there is ANY hint of legality and this is merely a paperwork "snafu." Again, that's IF writing a scrip to the doc and forking it over to the patient is EVER legal.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:10 PM
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8. It was a written
prescription not samples. The prescription was written to a third person not to Rush. Rush was in possession of this prescription that was not his. I believe he has a problem sufficient enough of the District Attorney wishes to revisit the previous agreement with this misdemeanor.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:19 PM
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10. How can he claim for "privacy purposes" when he was carrying it
around with him?

What about the doctor's privacy concerns?

Wouldn't the whores in the Dominican Republic notice the prescription bottle and label on the nightstand, thereby breaching the doctor's privacy, or were they too eager to start to work on Rush's magnificent member?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:33 PM
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13. I would assume he doesn't want the pharmacy staff blabbing about his ED.
The question is: is it kosher to keep the pharmacy in the dark?
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:36 PM
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14. But it's OK for the doctors to be embarrassed(?) at the pharmacy?
Who picked up the prescription for Rush? The maid?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:03 PM
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29. I suppose......if you are not a famous on-air radio personality???
I'm replying here at the risk of looking like I'm defending pig-boy. I don't want to look that way. I'm just gun-shy after Rove and I'm not getting my hopes up.

I did have some fun with a freeper co-worker when i sent him this from another thread:

There once was a piggy called Rush,
Whose dickie was flaccid as mush,
A cop made him tarry
For pills he did carry.
Now poor little piggy does blush

Sent him in a "Clenis Tirade"

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:43 PM
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17. Any pharmacist who blabbed about what drugs any patient is taking
would be violating federal privacy laws. HEPPA (I think that is the acronym) strictly forbids this. You really think a pharmacist is going to risk losing his job to tell his friends that Rush takes Viagra?

This part of this story is just downright silly.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:48 PM
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19. HIPAA (with link):
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:54 PM
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22. It's illegal, from what Hubby says.
He says that it's illegal for the scrip to have anyone else's name on it. Doctors aren't supposed to self-prescribe, and it's illegal if it's a controlled substance, which Viagra isn't. They often do, though, but I've never heard of it for a patient--spouse, parent, child, self, yes, but never for a patient.

That doctor's in trouble.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:56 PM
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26. Not according to this:
see post #3

>>>It is generally not illegal under Florida law for a physician to prescribe medication in a third party's name if all parties are aware and the doctor documents it correctly, said Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County. He would not discuss specifics in the Limbaugh case Tuesday.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:58 PM
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28. Well, we're in Michigan. It still sounds bad.
It might not be illegal, but the physician might still lose his license. State medical boards can be tougher on this kind of thing than the law. That part of the law most likely pre-dates HIPPA, which would make that kind of practice not needed.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:54 PM
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23. That's not what the link I posted in #3 says.....
Apparently there IS some procedure for a doctor to write a scrip out to himself. Whether or not it applies here is the question. I hope, with all my heart, pig-boy fucked up. I just have my doubts and I'm a little gun-shy over Rove.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:50 PM
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21. "hard to believe a doctor would help him violate the law".. depends on
how much under the table grease is sliding the good doctor's way, or other bennies via connections and what not.

These things can go a long way towards making unacceptable risks start to look pretty acceptable.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:54 PM
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24. If the doc's an addict, too, that might be it.
It happens all too frequently.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:07 PM
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30. No, I'm talking more about MONEY, and other kinds of help, via connections
that a very rich and well connected Repub like Limbot could hook a doctor up with.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:56 PM
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34. That's a good point, too.
Too many doctors are worried about that kind of thing. It also doesn't hurt to have a wealthy patient talk you up amongst his well-insured friends. *sigh* Sick, though . . .
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:04 PM
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36. No, that's not what I'm getting at. First of all, any doctor that Limbot
would be seeing is almost certainly well known and successful already anyway, so it probably wouldn't be an important issue to get more business.

Secondly, to monkey around with prescriptions in this way is to jeopardize your license and your very livelihood. So, if you were going to do unethical favors like this for some extremely rich guy like Rush, who's gotta be worth tens of millions if not more, then there has to be enough scratch in it for you so that even if you lost your license, you'd have millions and be financially set. A few patient referrals, or even a lot of them, is not gonna cut it to risk your license.

Unless you are so star struck that it's reward enough just to be doc to the (drug addicted) stars. That you'd be willing to risk your whole career doing something shady for a pinhead like Rush, for no other compensation. I could see it, but it'd be really dumb.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:38 AM
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39. Oh. Wow. I can't see a doctor doing that, but I don't know.
We don't run in those circles, medicine-wise. We never have. I can't imagine my hubby risking his career that he's worked so hard for and loves so much, so it's hard for me to imagine a doctor doing all that just to walk away from it all with a buyout. Sad.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 04:54 PM
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5. Now we know
why Pigboy fought so hard to keep his medical records secret.
:hi:
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:24 PM
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11. Absolutely. Confirms that Rush had more to hide than he was ready
to admit. Millions paid in legal fees to hide his condition. Expensive way to get your rocks off.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:00 PM
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7. the one who delivered him?
:)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:13 PM
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9. duh, people, HE BOUGHT THE V. THERE, dontcha think?
29 tabs left over? riiiiight. he bought 30, used one, tried to smuggle the rest home.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:27 PM
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12. Haven't all his doctors broken the law?
Though I'm totally convinced Rush plays a huge part in fraudulent controlled prescription behavior.

Why isn't his big, fat, liar butt in prison?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:55 PM
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25. I've wondered that, too.
His docs have been skating on thin ice, and it sounds like this could be much bigger. I wonder if any prosecutor will take it on. The state medical board should.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 06:59 PM
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31. Just my personal opinion....
I have a friend who's been duping doctors for years to feed her *addictions* to uppers/downers/you name it !

Yes, it's a "the other America" that gets away with this sh*t too. And I'm convinced, it's the Pharmas who want to control our addictions, as long as doctors enjoy their *perks*.

I learned that from working for a veterinarian in the 80's/90's....free cruises/BMW's/etc! Push drugs for profit and fun...oy.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:01 PM
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35. Most of that's gone now in medicine.
All those major perks are gone. Spouses can't even go to the drug rep dinners anymore, so Hubby doesn't go to any. Most docs around here either don't let the reps in at all or have a nurse who's a wall and won't let them speak with the doctors but lets them in to get the free samples, which is what the practice Hubby works for does--they need the free samples for their patients who can't afford the meds they need.

Narc seekers and other addicts are common. Some doctor puts the patient on a drug for a real condition (usually), the patient gets addicted, then the doctor cuts her off, leaving her to doctor-shop to get her needs met. Many of these addicts have real pain and real problems that never quite get treated, as most doctors kick narc seekers out of their practice (just too risky to treat them). Hubby still gets a lot of these, as he's still sort of new in town, but word's getting out that he works to treat the underlying problem and closely monitors refills. They're getting less common now.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:36 PM
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15. HIPPA protects Rush...he didn't have to do it..
if the prescriptions had his name on them...they would have been violating his privacy by disclosing he was taking that medication and could be sued.

So to act as if a pharmacist would report on his scripts because of his celebrity status is just a straw man argument.

The guy is just a pill popper of the first order and he will get caught again and again until he ends up in jail, Betty Ford or dead.

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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:38 PM
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16. If he dies from Viagra, at least he will die with a smile on his face,
instead of a perpetual scowl.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:45 PM
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18. It is a criminal offense, isn't it?
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 05:45 PM by proud2Blib
I agree with you. This is just a dumb dumb argument. But I thought HIPPA provides for criminal penalties?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:56 PM
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27. Yup. That's why they take it so seriously.
The penalties are huge for anyone who violates it. I forget what they are, but I remember being suprised when I read it in AMNews.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:50 PM
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20. Thank you! I've been saying that, too.
This is about hiding an addiction, not privacy. That doctor is in a ton of hot water.
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:00 PM
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32. I'd be curious what the investigation
of what ELSE the doctor prescribed for "himself" brings up.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:49 PM
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33. Legal pundit on KO said "no"
as long as the doctor confirms that he did this and Limpballs is not fibbing.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:20 AM
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37. I've posted a few quotes from authorities in this thread but .......
......it doesn't seem to be what people WANT to hear. Unless they totally screwed up, pig-boy and his doctor are probably not in trouble......sorry to say.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:50 AM
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38. Maybe Rush did a little Rx shopping in his doc's medicine cabinet
when he was at his house for some social occation. You know, use the bathroom while he's in there with the door locked do a little medicine cabinet check to see what he's got. Maybe he pocketed more than a bottle of viagra.

His doc might have chosen to look the other way when he discovered the missing drugs.

Just a possible scenario.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:53 AM
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40. Of course he did
Limbaugh was taking drugs prescribed in the name of another person...doctor or no doctor..that's wrong..

What if you or I were "embarrassed" to let our health insurer know that we took.....say Lipitor or a heart med

or if we were embarrassed to let our life insurance company know we took psychiatric meds

or if we were "embarrassed" to let our employer or the DMV know we took an epilepsy med..

would your doctor just prescribe it in HIS name to spare you the "embarrassment" ?

He's a rich man, but a stupid one... wht not just flush the pills or toss the bottle and leave them in the hotel/resort/whatever...or toss them in a trash can and get some more when you got home??

Was he planning having sex in the limo on the way home??
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