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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:02 PM
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Kudos to Feingold, only Democratic senator to vote against the TWO
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 07:07 PM by Mass
anti-flag burning bills and a very big disappointment for Durbin and co who thought it was necessary to have an bill to show they were patriotic.

When will they understand that they should have stayed with the argument that this was not an issue.

Here is his statement.

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/06/20060627flagamendmentdefeat.htm
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:48 PM
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1. Feingold rocks!
"Feingold won big after voting against the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts,
and having cast the lone vote in the Senate against the Patriot Act"
-Chicago Tribune

http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:08 PM
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2. Sorry, I didn't follow this story -- what's the scoop?
There were two flag burning resolutions, and all the Dems except Feingold voted yes? Just need a brief summary. Thanks.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:24 PM
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3. There were two anti-flag burning resolutions. the Frist one which was an
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 08:27 PM by Mass
amendment to the Constitution and the Durbin one, who was not and who was more limited. All senators, with the exception of Feingold, voted for one version or the other. No big surprise in who voted for what.

None of them passed, but I dont see why the Democrats could not stand solid on the fact that there were issues more important to debate than to make flag-burning a federal offense (not that I approve flag-burning, but dont we have anything more important to debate).
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:31 PM
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4. But the Republicans control the agenda. The Dems are stuck
debating what the Republicans tell them is the subject of the day. I agree it's a dumb topic, but I guess it's not a deal breaker vote for me. It doesn't matter to me, whereas for some it matters a lot, so if the Dems think they need it to help them for the election, well, I guess it's one of the compromises they need to do. I hope there is at least a provision that you can burn a flag when you are retiring it, which is the standard way to do so when it's falling apart.

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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:01 PM
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9. What does the Repunks controling the agenda
have to do with how the Dems vote. Being able to burn the flag is actually what this freaking country is all about - it is our freedom of speech - freedom of expression.

And compromise for the election - they don't compromise they freaking give in time after time after time.

This is so patently ridiculous - I heard Hatch say today this has nothing to do with it being an election year - there you go REPUNK opposite speech - everything that comes out of their pathetic mouths is the opposite of the god damn truth. Why oh why can't these Dems call them on it.

Most of the Dems have stood for NOTHING the past 5 and a half years - I don't give a shit who controls the agenda - time to STAND for something instead of FALLING for everything

Jesus I could vomit blood over these spineless stupid idiots.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:19 PM
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10. Did I say it was a deal breaker? This said, it is worth recognizing when
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 09:27 PM by Mass
somebody does something right, and in my opinion, for this vote, Feingold is the only one who gets it (it is not always the case, sometimes he is wrong).

Anyway, both amendments were defeated.
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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:49 PM
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6. Durbin offered an amendment to the amendment...
Instead of amending the constitution, it would change the law to prohbit flag desecration with the intent of inciting violence or within a certain distance of a serviceman or woman's funeral (an obvious jab at Fred Phelps).
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:40 PM
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5. the flag is a symbol

I do believe that Feingold is the only person in congress who actually READS things, understands what is going on, and has the guts and spine to speak out about them, and very well at that. My gawd, what is wrong with these Democrats???? They give Bush more and more every day, instead of voting against the worst "leader" in history.

But people still are not stating the obvious. Burning a symbol is a CONSTITUTIONAL issue and burning the flag (not the one Betsy Ross made, that's THE Flag) and is convered under the First Amendement, Freedom of Speech and expression. It's certainly true it's a republicrap political maneuver for the right wing looney base, and not an issue in this country. But I'm sure Russ Feingold is seeing it as the constitutional issue that is it. I hope he continues to be a steady voice for progressives, unlike my Senators Feinstein (another Lieberman), Boxer and Pelosi. Sometimes D's, sometimes ??????? And this MORON Bush was in Europe writing all over the flag by signing it. Come on people.

:patriot:

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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:54 PM
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7. Shit did Barbara Boxer vote for one of these things too
oh man what a freaking disappointment

I love Russ THANK YOU!!!!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:26 PM
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11. It seems clear that the democrats are afraid to be labelled anti-patriot,
anti-troops, anti-faith, ... and think it is better to support alternate resolutions on such subjects rather than reminding people that patriotism, faith, support to the troops, ... does not necessarily following the GOP premises and improving useless resolutions.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:57 PM
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8. I wonder why even Kennedy voted for the second bill
What the hey...?
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:12 PM
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12. Feingold continues to show he's principled
and strong. And a patriot.

The 'pukes can't label him a weak Democrat - he sticks to his convictions, that is true strength.
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